Craig Thomson

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log man
log man
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21 May 2012 2:46pm
Well, I listened to the explanation.......and I just don't feel I know what the story is. He's gutsy, I'll give him that. But I'm not sure of his guilt or innocence. Maybe the only way we'll ever truly know is if he's charged and has to be prosecuted.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
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21 May 2012 12:58pm
I guess a bloke is guilty until proved innocent but the evidence is pretty damming.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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21 May 2012 1:28pm
I haven't followed it but some bloke on the news said he has given two different explanations.
If that is true, then 'nuff said

jamdfingr
jamdfingr
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21 May 2012 3:56pm
When will these political "scandals" stop being scandals and just go to being the norm....

Theyre a slippery bunch of suckers...
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
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21 May 2012 4:08pm
The simplest explanation is often the best.

However let him have his day in court if it comes to that. The whole process is designed to keep an ALP voting majority in the house of reps. Once the next election is over, Thomson's vote won't mean anything because he won't be an MP any more.

He will have served his purpose and he will probably be paid off if he makes it through this. Something like $120K a year, indexed for life. We must ensure our representatives can maintain the lifestyle they have grown accustomed to.





jamdfingr
jamdfingr
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21 May 2012 4:12pm
^^^^

Simple Explanation:

Craig Thompson paid for his escorts with his Union Credit Card...


Unless we count alien abduction, alien theft of credit card, alien procurement of escorts.... but they said that craig was a regular.... ooh... aliens wearing craig thompson costume....

Do we discount aliens?
myusernam
myusernam
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21 May 2012 4:39pm
he probably didn't even do anything wrong...it was probably part of the culture. obviously others/ superiors did it too/ had done it before. He was the patsy that got caught. Legitimate entertainment expenses I say. Who hasn't paid for something dodgy on their work credit card!
Gizmo
Gizmo
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21 May 2012 4:44pm
myusernam said...
Who hasn't paid for something dodgy on their work credit card!


Are you kidding me..... I would guesstimate that 80+ % of the people out there DO NOT have an employer credit card and you want to abuse the privilege, and how arrogant would you be to produce dodgy receipts for credit card use anyway?

jamdfingr
jamdfingr
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21 May 2012 5:50pm
I think there is a pretty clear distinction between putting a coffee on your company credit card and hiring escorts....

A clear conflict of interest.....

And yes, it does then give employers greater reason to check the statements of honest employees because of the actions of the dishonest....

Not cool....
jbshack
jbshack
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21 May 2012 3:55pm
myusernam said...

he probably didn't even do anything wrong...it was probably part of the culture. obviously others/ superiors did it too/ had done it before. He was the patsy that got caught. Legitimate entertainment expenses I say. Who hasn't paid for something dodgy on their work credit card!


Your statement says he didn't do anything wrong .and then you say, But he was the only guy to get caught. If you can get caught doing something then its wrong in my book

IMHO he looks like a Douche and acts like a Douche and has now been caught being a Douche the sooner he admits it the sooner the slower % of our fellow voting democratic can see the light

And im not talking Red Light Mr Thompson so stay away..
evlPanda
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21 May 2012 6:09pm
www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-21/craig-thomson-speaks-in-the-house-of-reps/4024076

That was a pretty gutsy speech. To be honest, it's what I want to see in a politician.

You have to admit it is entirely possible that he has been framed. But, you know, let's lynch him ala Lindy Chamberlain.
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
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21 May 2012 4:15pm
Heard something interesting on the presumption of innocence on Meet the Press yesterday from George Bandis, shadow attorney general...

George Bandis said...

...I was merely pointing out the presumption of innocence is a principle of criminal evidence and criminal procedure. It does not apply in civil suits. There are no criminal proceedings at the moment against either Mr Slipper or Mr Thomson.


Lawyers!
adolf
adolf
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21 May 2012 4:17pm
I was talking about him today at work.

I think if he learns some basic html/css- ie learns basic photoshop and cutting up a web page he could get a job in the Ukraine or on www.elance.com/
dinsdale
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21 May 2012 5:09pm
myusernam said...

he probably didn't even do anything wrong...it was probably part of the culture. obviously others/ superiors did it too/ had done it before. He was the patsy that got caught. Legitimate entertainment expenses I say. Who hasn't paid for something dodgy on their work credit card!

Me!!

Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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21 May 2012 7:34pm
If even half of Thomson's explanation is true, why on earth did he not go to the authorities to advise them of his predicament? If he received death threats you would think as a federal MP, the police would take them seriously.

The answer is he is a serial liar. When Thomson dropped his defamation case against the Sydney Morning Herald he went round to anyone who listened to him that he had won the case.

Its clear the ALP made a huge mistake when they endorsed him as their candidate for Dobell in 2010. He should have been booted back them.

Clearly there is the normal world and there is Craig's World.

Party time. Excellent!

dusta
dusta
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21 May 2012 5:39pm
who really gives a flying toss , honestly
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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21 May 2012 8:00pm
dusta said...

who really gives a flying toss , honestly


Yeah,

if you don't pay tax and you don't vote then why worry? No issues having corrupt politicians? If politicians think its okay to change laws and make decisions to suit their own interests then we may as well vote in a bunch of thieves as our representatives as that is what they will become.

There is another case in NSW where another ALP politician used his influence to lease prime commercial property on the cheap from the NSW government. This same politician is also appears to have used inside knowledge to buy property that have rich coal deposits and then get the land rezoned for exploration and exploitation.


Who cares that our taxes enrich the corrupt who change then change the law to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else? Better to wonder who will win Masterchef or whatever talent show is going on TV at the moment.





Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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21 May 2012 6:00pm
dusta said...

who really gives a flying toss , honestly


I do. Do you want the country run by crooks?
Politicians should be held to higher standards than the rest of the population just as say Police or judges etc are. Adn rightly so.
With power comes responsibility, and that is the cornerstone of our society which sets us apart form theose sh!t places full of corruption.

Even if there is no offence, if he has probably (on the balance of probabilities) done something dishonest then we as employers can't have faith in his ability to perform the duties of his office in a fair, accountable and honest manner = sacked.

On my work credit card I have to reconcile transactions online and state what they are for - if a fraudulent transaction was made I could not miss it. So he is either incompetent at managing his own finances, or stealing. No other choices.
dusta
dusta
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21 May 2012 6:12pm
the country already is run by crooks but what difference do you think it's going to make anyway . not like the general public have any say in how the country is run . Gillard/mad monk , either way this country is ****ed . I just don't bother to take any notice of what's going on with our government as i cbf getting all worked up over something i have no say in . and yes i vote .



I normally just close my eyes and stab the pen on the piece of paper at election time
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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21 May 2012 6:25pm
dusta said...

the country already is run by crooks but what difference do you think it's going to make anyway . not like the general public have any say in how the country is run . Gillard/mad monk , either way this country is ****ed . I just don't bother to take any notice of what's going on with our government as i cbf getting all worked up over something i have no say in . and yes i vote .



I normally just close my eyes and stab the pen on the piece of paper at election time


Isn't the deterrent to other pollies if Thompson is removed important?

Kinda like saying murder doesn't affect you so just fk it, it is already happening. The whole idea of our society is we deal with the problems ones to make the potential ones think twice.
myusernam
myusernam
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21 May 2012 8:27pm
work pays for your meals and bed while you're away for work but not the other functions of a wife. maybe he was a consienous objector and just expensing what he didn't have to pay for at home.

Respect. he knows how to party
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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21 May 2012 8:44pm
dusta said...

the country already is run by crooks but what difference do you think it's going to make anyway . not like the general public have any say in how the country is run . Gillard/mad monk , either way this country is ****ed . I just don't bother to take any notice of what's going on with our government as i cbf getting all worked up over something i have no say in . and yes i vote .



I normally just close my eyes and stab the pen on the piece of paper at election time



I know what you mean. It would be great if everyone put the sitting member last and turned our representative system, which is not representative, upside down.


kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
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21 May 2012 10:02pm
wixxy.wordpress.com/2012/05/16/i-think-i-smell-a-rat/

^^Not the best article, I'm sure there's better out there and some of the sources for the less important stuff are not ideal. However the key points are pretty interesting:

Mal Brough, Lib, advising ashby before allegations against slipper
Christopher pyne, lib, meeting with ashby, in contact before allegations

Ashby himself, Lib party member, convicted for on-air threats on radio
"Yeah, go for it you ****ing psychopath. Next time I see you riding on your ****ing bike I'll hit you, you idiot, all over the sloppy road, you dumb prick. **** it, if I was your mother, I would have drowned you at birth."
Also, dodgy source, but possibly procuring young gay guys for HIV+ mate
www.vexnews.com/2012/05/life-of-the-party-james-ashby-accused-of-procuring-unwitting-young-men-for-hiv-positive-millionaire-mate-for-pleasure-palace-partying/
So he's a nice innocent guy.

On to Craig Thompson. Kathy Jackson, union whistleblower and Craig Thompson's chief accuser, is partner of Michael Lawler. (and, yes, has assets )

Who is he?

Mate of Tony Abbott
and more importantly
Vice President of Fair Work Australia,
appointed by none other than
Tony Abbott

Fair Work Australia are the ones who published the report damning Craig Thompson.

Kathy Jackson is being led in all this by her Lawyer, the former VP of HR Nicholls Society. Which is made up of
Peter Reith is a board member, other notable names on the list of who contribute to this society are, Tony Abbott, Eric Abetz, Peter Costello, Michael Kroger. the list goes on and on, even Andrew Bolt gets a mention.

It goes on and on.

Point is, the whole thing stinks of a gang of Libs cooking something up.

It is just possible that he handed over his work credit card to hookers, yes, but really how dumb would you have to be?



lightwood
lightwood
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22 May 2012 8:54am
So a mate of Tony Abbott's stretched out the investigation for 4 years? Some mate. It has also been noted that he had nothing to do with the investigation so as to avoid a conflict of interest.

His story has so many holes I can't belive any sane person can still stick up for him.

From todays heraldsun:


The weight of evidence, when compared with the claims of innocence made by MP Craig Thomson, is seemingly overwhelming.
What he claims:

Someone had the wherewithal to concoct his telephone record through a phone hack from four years before the time any allegations about him came to light, just in case such details might have emerged in a Fairfax defamation action.

What we know:

Court documents subpoenaed from that action show Mr Thomson's mobile phone number called Sydney Escorts Room Service at 11.13pm on April 7, 2005, and again at 12.05am on April 8, 2005. At 11.12pm, on April 7, 2005, shortly before those phone calls, Mr Thomson's phone telephoned a number that a Google search has uncovered as another escort agency, A Gorgeous Blonde Model. Around these phone calls were calls from Mr Thomson's phone to union officials and Labor Party people.

What he claims:

He never paid prostitutes on a union credit card.

What we know:

Not only did he pay them, he even swapped the payments between credit cards. Court documents show he charged several prostitute services to a union Diners Club credit card, charging payments of $570, $550 and $550 on his union Diners Club card to Sydney Escorts Room Service on April 7 and 8, 2005, only to reverse them. Then, on April 9, 2005, he paid $2475 to Sydney Escorts Room Service on his union Mastercard, with the company taking a record of his driver's licence and signature on the voucher.

What he claims:

Mr Thomson booked other hotel rooms so perhaps they were used by other union officials to telephone prostitutes. Maybe that's why his hotel room phone records show calls to escorts.

What we know:

On April 5, 2006, a call was made from Mr Thomson's hotel room at the Grand Hyatt in Melbourne to Young Blondes escort agency and later to Confidential Models escort agency. On June 7, 2006 a call was made from his room at Pacific International Suites in Melbourne to an escort agency called Bad Girls.

The bill for the phone call was paid by his credit card.

What he claims:

He never used prostitutes on the union credit card.

What we know:

His telephone phoned Sydney Escort Connections – also paid by the credit card – at 12.55am on August 16, 2007.

But just before his mobile telephone made the call to Sydney Escort Connections, Mr Thomson's records show a call was made to a telephone number for Boardroom Escorts at 12.55am the same morning. His MasterCard shows a $330 payment for escort services from Aboutoun Catering North Sydney in 2003. His Mastercard was used on August 26, 2006, to charge $660 to Staff Call which operated a brothel. Two lots of $385 payments were made to Sydney Escorts Room Service on August 16, 2007, and his telephone was used to call Sydney Escort Connections and Boardroom Escorts at 12.55am the same morning. His signature on the sales voucher and licence number on the voucher?

What he claims:

The police should simply be able to access CCTV footage at brothels, like during his alleged visit to Tiffany's in Sydney in July 2005.

What we know:

Claims that brothels are required to keep CCTV footage are false. The NSW Government has confirmed there is no such provision. Besides, the evidence shows Mr Thomson mostly had prostitutes visit his hotel rooms. There only seems one visit to a brothel paid for on the cards.

What he claims:

If Fair Work Australia had done its investigation properly – and interviewed his half-brother, a union official he helped get a job – it would have found he was threatened in 2004 by Marco Bolano with being set up with hookers.

What we know:

Fair Work Australia found: “Mr Thomson has not, however, provided any evidence in support of this submission in the form of a statement or statutory declaration from Mr Robertson, or indeed from any other individual who may be able to verify this submission”. As well, Marco Bolano, the HSU official accused by Mr Thomson of setting him up with prostitutes, said he never threatened Mr Thomson. Instead he recalls speaking with Mr Thomson's half-brother, but says it is “preposterous” to suggest any threats were made of the kind alleged by the MP. And Mr Bolano says he only began work for the HSU in 2005 – whereas some of the transactions go back to 2003.

What he claims:

The claim that he took $101,000 in cash from ATMs unaccounted for is rubbish.

What we know:

Fair Work found that hardly any receipts were kept for the transactions and that Mr Thomson gave only himself the permission to make cash withdrawals on a credit card when he dished them out to union officials, requiring others to make accounted for transactions.

Sailhack
Sailhack
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22 May 2012 9:41am
His defense is purely based on FWA not conducting a thorough investigation - purely semantics & face-saving tactics IMO. I don't understand how he got to address the public in a PM-style address.

I would've told him "If you want to have your say in the powerful public forum that you're choosing to clear your name then go ahead. If you are successful, you'll be re-instated...but if you fail in explaining yourself, your MP benefits will be cut off and you'll be escorted to the door."

If he's not guilty of what he's accused of then let the investigators do their job & good luck to him, I don't doubt that when dealing with unions there is large amount of underhand tactics, but if found that he lied throughout his 'innocence-speech' - throw the book at him & show him the door. Make an example of him...that's what I would do as his employer.
knigit
knigit
WA
319 posts
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22 May 2012 8:23am
AT LAST

Labor Party Genius!!


Yes - they've finally cracked it!



At long last Labor has somebody who can organise a root in a brothel.!!!



Ignoring the paltry 6g on hookers for a minute, the figure they're talking about is $500,000. Hundred thousand dollars in cash withdrawals?? Seems like a crazy long leash to me! Just how much pocket money are these people given access to?
ka43
ka43
NSW
3100 posts
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22 May 2012 10:40am
Oh, I thought you were talking about THE Craig Thompson from Mambo fame
Now hes interesting not like all these lying scumbag pollies!!!
bjw
bjw
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22 May 2012 11:10am
I believe that Craig Thompson should be reinstated with all his powers to mc the Mambo 2012.
evlPanda
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22 May 2012 11:15am
lightwood said...

So a mate of Tony Abbott's stretched out the investigation for 4 years? Some mate. It has also been noted that he had nothing to do with the investigation so as to avoid a conflict of interest.

His story has so many holes I can't belive any sane person can still stick up for him.

From todays heraldsun:



Dude, that's a satirical newspaper.

...isn't it?

@ kiteboydave: Just imagine how much bigger this would get if that were the case. The mind boggles. It is possible.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
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22 May 2012 9:26am
knigit said...

At long last Labor has somebody who can organise a root in a brothel.!!!



Gold
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
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22 May 2012 12:33pm
Just reading his comments again. Brothels keep tapes of all their clients for six years? Really? Why would they do that? It sounds ridiculous that they tape them at all.
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