Forums > General Discussion   Shooting the breeze...

Comet landing

Reply
Created by southace > 9 months ago, 7 Aug 2014
southace
SA, 4794 posts
7 Aug 2014 8:05PM
Thumbs Up

The scientist stated on the news they want to land on this comet and check for water as we don't know how the water ended up on this planet earth.

Correct me if I'm wrong did we not go through ice age and everything froze and then when it thawed out the land melted and the sea was created? Well I'm sure that's what I was taught at school!

seems like a waste of time chasing this 10 billion dollar comet for the past 10 years!

CrossStep
SA, 210 posts
7 Aug 2014 8:21PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
southace said..
The scientist stated on the news they want to land on this comet and check for water as we don't know how the water ended up on this planet earth.

Correct me if I'm wrong did we not go through ice age and everything froze and then when it thawed out the land melted and the sea was created? Well I'm sure that's what I was taught at school!

seems like a waste of time chasing this 10 billion dollar comet for the past 10 years!


Yes, but where did "everything that froze" come from?
I reckon its just a cover story for undertaking research into comet geology & formation, you know just in case they ever need to nuke one of them out of orbit.

southace
SA, 4794 posts
7 Aug 2014 8:31PM
Thumbs Up

Gee that makes sense I'm not listening to anything the media, governments or scientists say any more!

Dezman
NSW, 818 posts
7 Aug 2014 9:17PM
Thumbs Up

I hear Bruce Willis is on board!

Mark _australia
WA, 23581 posts
7 Aug 2014 7:21PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
CrossStep said..

Yes, but where did "everything that froze" come from?






There was a huge amount of stuff all compressed (where that stuff came from nobody seems to care)
after a while it was soooo compressed it exploded and made other stuff. (Nevermind that violates entropy)

The most basic atom - hydrogen - was made, and by joining together with energy input from radiation etc (no idea where that energy came from) protons and electrons and neutrons from hydrogen became other things. Eventually it also made oxygen.

Eventually hydrogen and oxygen met and made water - and that would occur. But lets neglect the fact that both are so reactive they would not exist in their natural state and would have reacted with everything else so water would be unlikely - or at least very little of it. For example ammonia would be way more prevalent but the earth got fkloads of water somehow. (Even thought that also violates entropy, all places should have more or less the same stuff after billions of years.)

Then clumps of stuff stuck together and made planets etc. They all rotate the same way for some reason, so we went back and made the aforementioned dense mass a "dense, spinning mass...." That sounds better and makes us feel happy about why stuff spins. Yay for 'science'
Until somebody cluey figured out that some things out there spin the wrong way and that violates the conservation of angular momentum (a thing chucked off a spinning thing will spin the same way). But we ignore that too.

So now we have where water came from and a really bad explanation that now most scientists say is not quite right but we will still teach it to kids at school.

I agree landing on a comet that has water, to figure out why we have water, is a phenomenal waste of money. How about making sure all people on earth have enough water first!!!!????


Or shall we move on to gravity waves, red shift, etc?


Heavy weather, here we come....

Macroscien
QLD, 6808 posts
7 Aug 2014 10:07PM
Thumbs Up

The most recent theory claim that all water on our Earth comes from comets.
Obama cancelled Constellation program ( landing, exploring and maybe even occupy Moon in favor of chasing distant comets and asteroid for their water and platinum content).
They want even catch one and bring to our orbit now.
Stupid calculation.
For the same money US will spend on few tones of comet ( even pure platinum) China will occupy and create permanent habitats on the Moon.
Let see who win this space race this time ....

Poodle
WA, 867 posts
7 Aug 2014 9:52PM
Thumbs Up

Landing a spacecraft on a tiny rock a squillion km the other side of the solar system. That is way cool!

sausage
QLD, 4874 posts
8 Aug 2014 12:08AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Poodle said...
Landing a spacecraft on a tiny rock a squillion km the other side of the solar system. That is way cool!


I'm with you on this one Poods. It is an amazing feat by us slightly more developed apes.

PS- mark, expansion not explosion

Mark _australia
WA, 23581 posts
7 Aug 2014 10:12PM
Thumbs Up

^^^ yeah awesome - can stick a probe on a rock a billion miles away.

But can't fund healthcare, have to increase retirement age, blah blah.
Maybe the NBN will make australia so smart we will beat NASA to the icy rock of importance.

PS sausage - rapid expansion is explosion. Or deflagration but that's just semantics

jn1
SA, 2717 posts
8 Aug 2014 12:08AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Mark _australia said..
after a while it was soooo compressed it exploded and made other stuff. (Nevermind that violates entropy)



Mark, this isn't busting entropy. Think of disorder as heat dissipation. Big bang = space was sqillans of degrees C. Now days, space is -273C on average.

CrossStep
SA, 210 posts
8 Aug 2014 12:10AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
southace said..
Gee that makes sense I'm not listening to anything the media, governments or scientists say any more!


Here come the MIB.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
8 Aug 2014 1:05AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Mark _australia said...
^^^ yeah awesome - can stick a probe on a rock a billion miles away.

But can't fund healthcare, have to increase retirement age, blah blah.
Maybe the NBN will make australia so smart we will beat NASA to the icy rock of importance.

PS sausage - rapid expansion is explosion. Or deflagration but that's just semantics

Just keep repeating this:

50 years of NASA

OR

1 month in Afghanistan

We can water and feed the world AND go to Mars, etc. It's not a zero-sum game. That's another BS argument.

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
8 Aug 2014 2:27AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Poodle said..
Landing a spacecraft on a tiny rock a squillion km the other side of the solar system. That is way cool!


An amazing technological achievement for mankind.

Why compare that to mankind's social failures such as the various wars we have going at the moment????

They are just egos out of control. Phuck ego. It is that, that holds us back.

Dezman
NSW, 818 posts
8 Aug 2014 5:49AM
Thumbs Up

Whatever it takes just get me off this planet.

The day bright intelligent people stop looking to the heavens for answers is the day we climb back into the tree.

Its news to me that water is a mystery and what amazing stuff it is, can't be compressed or burnt.
Even though it's make of two very volatile elements.

Giver of life and sailing!
Im sure someone laughed at the first 'Sail' being made! Hey idiot why don't you feed your family first before wasting your time
on making an aero foil. 'Which will pull a boat into the wind' yeah right mate, next you'll say we will fly

Science has always been at the frontier of knowledge and just because some of us can't see the Answer ahead
does not mean we hold back those who can imagine it.

actiomax
NSW, 1576 posts
8 Aug 2014 8:37PM
Thumbs Up

I love science. I think it is massively cool that we can do it.
Australia could win the space race by making an elevator into space we have the geological conditions necessary . It would probably be cheaper than 10 stealth bombers. .
The halidron collider cost money just to learn . Governments just don't govern for the benefit of the people or forward planning for the future . Ok nasa is a fringe group hoping to benefit everybody. But if we can learn enough maybe things will become cheap enough so everybody benefits . Sometimes the technology is there we just need to think outside the box. . How are they going to launch the probe ?private courier that delivers it to space to be assembled or an old saturn 5 rocket.

secondplace
WA, 25 posts
8 Aug 2014 7:21PM
Thumbs Up

I'd like to think that there is at least one working group within NASA that is discussing the development of a suitable an@l probe for the astronauts to take on this mission.. Otherwise what's the point? As an Astronaut, I think you would feel like a bit of an idiot if you came across an alien life from and didn't have the necessary tools to perform a detailed 'examination'..


NotWal
QLD, 7436 posts
9 Aug 2014 12:44AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Mark _australia said..
^^^ yeah awesome - can stick a probe on a rock a billion miles away.

But can't fund healthcare, have to increase retirement age, blah blah.
Maybe the NBN will make australia so smart we will beat NASA to the icy rock of importance.

PS sausage - rapid expansion is explosion. Or deflagration but that's just semantics


They spend a hell of a lot more on guns n bombs ....

The Big Bang was definitely an explosion of sorts but it was quite special in that it was a rapid expansion i.e. orderly and uniform throughout (apparently) and it appears to have been an expansion of space not in space. Though what that really means I don't know. The WMAP confirms it.

slammin
QLD, 998 posts
9 Aug 2014 1:22AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
NotWal said..

Mark _australia said..
^^^ yeah awesome - can stick a probe on a rock a billion miles away.

But can't fund healthcare, have to increase retirement age, blah blah.
Maybe the NBN will make australia so smart we will beat NASA to the icy rock of importance.

PS sausage - rapid expansion is explosion. Or deflagration but that's just semantics



They spend a hell of a lot more on guns n bombs ....

The Big Bang was definitely an explosion of sorts but it was quite special in that it was a rapid expansion i.e. orderly and uniform throughout (apparently) and it appears to have been an expansion of space not in space. Though what that really means I don't know. The WMAP confirms it.


I thought the whole point of recent discoveries was that it wasn't uniform and that the randomness proved the uniformity???

NotWal
QLD, 7436 posts
9 Aug 2014 1:32AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Mark _australia said..

CrossStep said..

Yes, but where did "everything that froze" come from?







There was a huge amount of stuff all compressed (where that stuff came from nobody seems to care)
after a while it was soooo compressed it exploded and made other stuff. (Nevermind that violates entropy)

The most basic atom - hydrogen - was made, and by joining together with energy input from radiation etc (no idea where that energy came from) protons and electrons and neutrons from hydrogen became other things. Eventually it also made oxygen.

Eventually hydrogen and oxygen met and made water - and that would occur. But lets neglect the fact that both are so reactive they would not exist in their natural state and would have reacted with everything else so water would be unlikely - or at least very little of it. For example ammonia would be way more prevalent but the earth got fkloads of water somehow. (Even thought that also violates entropy, all places should have more or less the same stuff after billions of years.)

Then clumps of stuff stuck together and made planets etc. They all rotate the same way for some reason, so we went back and made the aforementioned dense mass a "dense, spinning mass...." That sounds better and makes us feel happy about why stuff spins. Yay for 'science'
Until somebody cluey figured out that some things out there spin the wrong way and that violates the conservation of angular momentum (a thing chucked off a spinning thing will spin the same way). But we ignore that too.

So now we have where water came from and a really bad explanation that now most scientists say is not quite right but we will still teach it to kids at school.

I agree landing on a comet that has water, to figure out why we have water, is a phenomenal waste of money. How about making sure all people on earth have enough water first!!!!????


Or shall we move on to gravity waves, red shift, etc?


Heavy weather, here we come....




Sounds like a science lesson from Kent Hovind

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
9 Aug 2014 8:26AM
Thumbs Up

In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. And the Earth
was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.


Heathens...

NotWal
QLD, 7436 posts
9 Aug 2014 4:36PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
slammin said..

NotWal said..


Mark _australia said..
^^^ yeah awesome - can stick a probe on a rock a billion miles away.

But can't fund healthcare, have to increase retirement age, blah blah.
Maybe the NBN will make australia so smart we will beat NASA to the icy rock of importance.

PS sausage - rapid expansion is explosion. Or deflagration but that's just semantics




They spend a hell of a lot more on guns n bombs ....

The Big Bang was definitely an explosion of sorts but it was quite special in that it was a rapid expansion i.e. orderly and uniform throughout (apparently) and it appears to have been an expansion of space not in space. Though what that really means I don't know. The WMAP confirms it.



I thought the whole point of recent discoveries was that it wasn't uniform and that the randomness proved the uniformity???


Relatively uniform. The "A" in WMAP stands for anisotropy. The universe is relatively isotropic. It shows the same amount of anisotropy in all directions. This is believed to account for the consequent clumpy distribution of mass. The notion it contradicts is that if the universe was perfectly homogeneous to begin with it wouldn't be clumpy now.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
9 Aug 2014 3:33PM
Thumbs Up

What a waste of money and resources, try solving our problems here on earth before you go creating more problems in outer space.
Just a bunch of star trek nerds that got put in positions of authority

Dezman
NSW, 818 posts
9 Aug 2014 6:15PM
Thumbs Up

To All Sea-breeze Readers This Is God.......

Now I Know You Apes Have Just Swung Out Of The Trees And Landed On Your Feet, But.

Stop Questioning The Universe And Sending Little Rocket Robots To My Asteroids And Drilling Holes In Them.

I Made Water........

The Universe Is Infinite and I'm Infinite, And Don't Be A Smart Ass And Say 'Well How Can There Be A Start And No End To Anything'.

The Universe Is Lumpy Just Because.

But Why?

For Gods Sake Will You Stop Pestering Me With Questions, It Is Because I Said SO.......

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
9 Aug 2014 6:26PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Dezman said..
To All Sea-breeze Readers This Is God.......

Now I Know You Apes Have Just Swung Out Of The Trees And Landed On Your Feet, But.

Stop Questioning The Universe And Sending Little Rocket Robots To My Asteroids And Drilling Holes In Them.

I Made Water........

The Universe Is Infinite and I'm Infinite, And Don't Be A Smart Ass And Say 'Well How Can There Be A Start And No End To Anything'.

The Universe Is Lumpy Just Because.

But Why?

For Gods Sake Will You Stop Pestering Me With Questions, It Is Because I Said SO.......


Hey Dez.....If your God are you saying that we swung out of trees or is the book you wrote all fiction? you know, the adam and steve part.

Dezman
NSW, 818 posts
9 Aug 2014 7:35PM
Thumbs Up

Fingerbone Did You Read The First Page ?

All Characters Portrayed Are Just Made Up Like The Rest Of The Universe.

Its All Just A Dream And I'm Not Really Here!.........



Subscribe
Reply

Forums > General Discussion   Shooting the breeze...


"Comet landing" started by southace