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Coca-Cola equals obesity

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Created by petermac33 > 9 months ago, 18 Jul 2014
RumChaser
TAS, 629 posts
18 Jul 2014 6:24PM
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Never touch the stuff. The only time I drink fizzy drinks is with a liberal addition of rum. I find that neutralises the sugar nicely. Yum.
To be a little serious. I used to drink rum and coke but found it too sweet. Rum and dry now.

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
18 Jul 2014 4:40PM
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I see people in the supermarket buying the 'diet' version in bulk of this drink,thinking they are buying a a healthy alternative .......well if they only bothered to do a little research like watching the documentary Sweet Misery.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
18 Jul 2014 7:14PM
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petermac33 said...
I see people in the supermarket buying the 'diet' version in bulk of this drink,thinking they are buying a a healthy alternative .......well if they only bothered to do a little research like watching the documentary Sweet Misery.

Cos we all know what quality research is done for YouTube

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
18 Jul 2014 7:46PM
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Not going to argue with you on this one PM33...that crap is pure poison!

Stick with good old beer I reckon.

actiomax
NSW, 1576 posts
18 Jul 2014 9:23PM
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^^
" We know god loves us as he gave us beer . "
Benjamin Franklin.

Buster fin
WA, 2598 posts
18 Jul 2014 9:19PM
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WOW!! Truly sanctioned by CC?
Suicide.

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
18 Jul 2014 11:57PM
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American Hi-Way Patrol cops carry 20 litre drums of it in the boot of their cars because it is the best thing for washing blood off the bitumen.

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
19 Jul 2014 12:13AM
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cisco said..
American Hi-Way Patrol cops carry 20 litre drums of it in the boot of their cars because it is the best thing for washing blood off the bitumen.


Is that what the cops over there are doing all day? They spend so much of their time cleaning blood off roads that they need to carry a 20 litre container of an appropriate cleaner in their boot all the time??

Urban myth.

Poida
WA, 1922 posts
18 Jul 2014 11:07PM
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i heard it was ok with a touch of bourbon
but seriously it applies to all sugar flavoured drinks
including the ice coffees

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
19 Jul 2014 1:27AM
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Poida said..
i heard it was ok with a touch of bourbon
but seriously it applies to all sugar flavoured drinks
including the ice coffees


Regarding obesity - sugar is a problem. Artificial sweeteners aren't a problem unless you're one of the people who's bodies react to it the same way as sugar. And then it's a problem. There are no other health concerns related to artificial sweeteners eg. aspartame, says science.

Mythbusters says Coke cleans blood fine - much like a lot of other products - but cops clean up? Get outa here!

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
19 Jul 2014 12:00AM
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cisco said...
American Hi-Way Patrol cops carry 20 litre drums of it in the boot of their cars because it is the best thing for washing blood off the bitumen.


That's what the BRT's (big red trucks) are for.

fjdoug
ACT, 548 posts
19 Jul 2014 8:42AM
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Buster fin said..
WOW!! Truly sanctioned by CC?



no....

Buster fin
WA, 2598 posts
19 Jul 2014 8:31AM
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Cheers Doug. I thought so.

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
19 Jul 2014 10:46AM
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Harrow said..

cisco said..
American Hi-Way Patrol cops carry 20 litre drums of it in the boot of their cars because it is the best thing for washing blood off the bitumen.


Is that what the cops over there are doing all day? They spend so much of their time cleaning blood off roads that they need to carry a 20 litre container of an appropriate cleaner in their boot all the time??

Urban myth.

Plus, it would probably leave pot holes everywhere after it dissolved the road.

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
19 Jul 2014 2:13PM
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Iceman said..
Never touch the stuff. The only time I drink fizzy drinks is with a liberal addition of rum. I find that neutralises the sugar nicely. Yum.
To be a little serious. I used to drink rum and coke but found it too sweet. Rum and dry now.

Hmmmm. Not-with-standing what rum is made from, or what alcohol actually is.

RumChaser
TAS, 629 posts
20 Jul 2014 9:55AM
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Good point!!! Have to stay with beer.

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
20 Jul 2014 2:27PM
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What Is Aspartame Made Of? Aspartic Acid (40 percent of Aspartame)Dr. Russell L. Blaylock, a professor of neurosurgery at the Medical University of Mississippi, recently published a book thoroughly detailing the damage that is caused by the ingestion of excessive aspartic acid from aspartame. Blaylock makes use of almost 500 scientific references to show how excess free excitatory amino acids such as aspartic acid and glutamic acid (about 99 percent of monosodium glutamate or MSG is glutamic acid) in our food supply are causing serious chronic neurological disorders and a myriad of other acute symptoms.How Aspartate (and Glutamate) Cause Damage Aspartate and glutamate act as neurotransmitters in the brain by facilitating the transmission of information from neuron to neuron. Too much aspartate or glutamate in the brain kills certain neurons by allowing the influx of too much calcium into the cells. This influx triggers excessive amounts of free radicals, which kill the cells. The neural cell damage that can be caused by excessive aspartate and glutamate is why they are referred to as "excitotoxins." They "excite" or stimulate the neural cells to death.

Aspartic acid is an amino acid. Taken in its free form (unbound to proteins), it significantly raises the blood plasma level of aspartate and glutamate. The excess aspartate and glutamate in the blood plasma shortly after ingesting aspartame or products with free glutamic acid (glutamate precursor) leads to a high level of those neurotransmitters in certain areas of the brain.The blood brain barrier (BBB), which normally protects the brain from excess glutamate and aspartate as well as toxins, 1) is not fully developed during childhood, 2) does not fully protect all areas of the brain, 3) is damaged by numerous chronic and acute conditions, and 4) allows seepage of excess glutamate and aspartate into the brain even when intact.The excess glutamate and aspartate slowly begin to destroy neurons. The large majority (75 percent or more) of neural cells in a particular area of the brain are killed before any clinical symptoms of a chronic illness are noticed. A few of the many chronic illnesses that have been shown to be contributed to by long-term exposure to excitatory amino acid damage include:Multiple sclerosis (MS)Parkinson's diseaseALSHypoglycemiaMemory lossAIDSHormonal problemsDementiaEpilepsyBrain lesionsAlzheimer's diseaseNeuroendocrine disorders The risk to infants, children, pregnant women, the elderly and persons with certain chronic health problems from excitotoxins are great. Even the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology (FASEB), which usually understates problems and mimics the FDA party-line, recently stated in a review that glutamic acid should be avoided by women of childbearing age.

Aspartic acid from aspartame has the same deleterious effects on the body as glutamic acid isolated from it's naturally protein-bound state, causing it to become a neurotoxin instead of a non-essential amino acid.Aspartame in diet sodas, or aspartame in other liquid form are absorbed more quickly and have been shown to spike plasma levels of aspartic acid.The exact mechanism of acute reactions to excess free glutamate and aspartate is currently being debated. As reported to the FDA, those reactions include:Headaches/migrainesFatigue (blocks sufficient glucose entry into brain)Anxiety attacksNauseaSleep problemsDepressionAbdominal painsVision problemsAsthma/chest tightness
One common complaint of persons suffering from the effect of aspartame is memory loss. Ironically, in 1987, G.D. Searle, the manufacturer of aspartame, undertook a search for a drug to combat memory loss caused by excitatory amino acid damage. Blaylock is one of many scientists and physicians who are concerned about excitatory amino acid damage caused by ingestion of aspartame and MSG.A few of the many experts who have spoken out against the damage being caused by aspartate and glutamate include Adrienne Samuels, Ph.D., an experimental psychologist specializing in research design. Another is Olney, a professor in the department of psychiatry, School of Medicine, Washington University, a neuroscientist and researcher, and one of the world's foremost authorities on excitotoxins. (He informed Searle in 1971 that aspartic acid caused holes in the brains of mice.)Phenylalanine (50 percent of aspartame) Phenylalanine is an amino acid normally found in the brain. Persons with the genetic disorder phenylketonuria (PKU) cannot metabolize phenylalanine. This leads to dangerously high levels of phenylalanine in the brain (sometimes lethal). It has been shown that ingesting aspartame, especially along with carbohydrates, can lead to excess levels of phenylalanine in the brain even in persons who do not have PKU.This is not just a theory, as many people who have eaten large amounts of aspartame over a long period of time and do not have PKU have been shown to have excessive levels of phenylalanine in the blood. Excessive levels of phenylalanine in the brain can cause the levels of serotonin in the brain to decrease, leading to emotional disorders such as depression. It was shown in human testing that phenylalanine levels of the blood were increased significantly in human subjects who chronically used aspartame.Even a single use of aspartame raised the blood phenylalanine levels. In his testimony before the U.S. Congress, Dr. Louis J. Elsas showed that high blood phenylalanine can be concentrated in parts of the brain and is especially dangerous for infants and fetuses. He also showed that phenylalanine is metabolized much more efficiently by rodents than by humans.One account of a case of extremely high phenylalanine levels caused by aspartame was recently published by the Wednesday Journal in an article titled "An Aspartame Nightmare." John Cook began drinking six to eight diet drinks every day. His symptoms started out as memory loss and frequent headaches. He began to crave more aspartame-sweetened drinks. His condition deteriorated so much that he experienced wide mood swings and violent rages. Even though he did not suffer from PKU, a blood test revealed a phenylalanine level of 80 mg/dl. He also showed abnormal brain function and brain damage. After he kicked his aspartame habit, his symptoms improved dramatically.As Blaylock points out in his book, early studies measuring phenylalanine buildup in the brain were flawed. Investigators who measured specific brain regions and not the average throughout the brain notice significant rises in phenylalanine levels. Specifically the hypothalamus, medulla oblongata, and corpus striatum areas of the brain had the largest increases in phenylalanine. Blaylock goes on to point out that excessive buildup of phenylalanine in the brain can cause schizophrenia or make one more susceptible to seizures.Therefore, long-term, excessive use of aspartame may provide a boost to sales of serotonin reuptake inhibitors such as Prozac and drugs to control schizophrenia and seizures.Methanol a.k.a wood alcohol/poison (10 percent of aspartame)Methanol/wood alcohol is a deadly poison. Some people may remember methanol as the poison that has caused some "skid row" alcoholics to end up blind or dead. Methanol is gradually released in the small intestine when the methyl group of aspartame encounters the enzyme chymotrypsin.The absorption of methanol into the body is sped up considerably when free methanol is ingested. Free methanol is created from aspartame when it is heated to above 86 Fahrenheit (30 Centigrade). This would occur when aspartame-containing product is improperly stored or when it is heated (e.g. as part of a "food" product such as Jello). Methanol breaks down into formaldehyde in the body. Formaldehyde is a deadly neurotoxin. An EPA assessment of methanol states that methanol "is considered a cumulative poison due to the low rate of excretion once it is absorbed. In the body, methanol is oxidized to formaldehyde." They recommend a limit of consumption of 7.8 mg/day. A one-liter (approx. 1 quart) aspartame-sweetened beverage contains about 56 mg of methanol. Heavy users of aspartame-containing products consume as much as 250 mg of methanol daily or 32 times the EPA limit.Symptoms from methanol poisoning include headaches, ear buzzing, dizziness, nausea, gastrointestinal disturbances, weakness, vertigo, chills, memory lapses, numbness and shooting pains in the extremities, behavioral disturbances, and neuritis. The most well known problems from methanol poisoning are vision problems including misty vision, progressive contraction of visual fields, blurring of vision, obscuration of vision, retinal damage, and blindness. Formaldehyde is a known carcinogen, causes retinal damage, interferes with DNA replication and causes birth defects.Due to the lack of a couple of key enzymes, humans are many times more sensitive to the toxic effects of methanol than animals. Therefore, tests of aspartame or methanol on animals do not accurately reflect the danger for humans. As pointed out by Dr. Woodrow C. Monte, director of the food science and nutrition laboratory at Arizona State University: "There are no human or mammalian studies to evaluate the possible mutagenic, teratogenic or carcinogenic effects of chronic administration of methyl alcohol."He was so concerned about the unresolved safety issues that he filed suit with the FDA requesting a hearing to address these issues. He asked the FDA to:"...[S]low down on this soft drink issue long enough to answer some of the important questions. It's not fair that you are leaving the full burden of proof on the few of us who are concerned and have such limited resources. You must remember that you are the American public's last defense. Once you allow usage (of aspartame) there is literally nothing I or my colleagues can do to reverse the course. Aspartame will then join saccharin, the sulfiting agents, and God knows how many other questionable compounds enjoined to insult the human constitution with governmental approval."Shortly thereafter, the Commissioner of the FDA, Arthur Hull Hayes, Jr., approved the use of aspartame in carbonated beverage. He then left for a position with G.D. Searle's public relations firm.It has been pointed out that some fruit juices and alcoholic beverages contain small amounts of methanol. It is important to remember, however, that methanol never appears alone. In every case, ethanol is present, usually in much higher amounts. Ethanol is an antidote for methanol toxicity in humans. The troops of Desert Storm were "treated" to large amounts of aspartame-sweetened beverages, which had been heated to over 86 degrees F in the Saudi Arabian sun. Many of them returned home with numerous disorders similar to what has been seen in persons who have been chemically poisoned by formaldehyde. The free methanol in the beverages may have been a contributing factor in these illnesses. Other breakdown products of aspartame such as DKP (discussed below) may also have been a factor.In a 1993 act that can only be described as "unconscionable," the FDA approved aspartame as an ingredient in numerous food items that would always be heated to above 86 degree F (30 degree C).Diketopiperazine (DKP)DKP is a byproduct of aspartame metabolism. DKP has been implicated in the occurrence of brain tumors. Olney noticed that DKP, when nitrosated in the gut, produced a compound that was similar to N-nitrosourea, a powerful brain tumor causing chemical. Some authors have said that DKP is produced after aspartame ingestion. I am not sure if that is correct. It is definitely true that DKP is formed in liquid aspartame-containing products during prolonged storage.G.D. Searle conducted animal experiments on the safety of DKP. The FDA found numerous experimental errors occurred, including "clerical errors, mixed-up animals, animals not getting drugs they were supposed to get, pathological specimens lost because of improper handling," and many other errors. These sloppy laboratory procedures may explain why both the test and control animals had 16 times more brain tumors than would be expected in experiments of this length.In an ironic twist, shortly after these experimental errors were discovered, the FDA used guidelines recommended by G.D. Searle to develop the industry-wide FDA standards for good laboratory practices.DKP has also been implicated as a cause of uterine polyps and changes in blood cholesterol by FDA Toxicologist Dr. Jacqueline Verrett in her testimony before the U.S. Senate.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17570 posts
20 Jul 2014 4:42PM
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I think I'm getting ripped off.. I drink lots of Coke.. and I don't even have the slightest bit of obesity..

My doctor says I have very good health.. and to keep doing what I'm doing.. (eating lots of chocolate and drinking Coke)..

I guess the key is what they say in the end of that vid.. "If you eat and drink more calories than you burn off.. you'll gain weight."


petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
20 Jul 2014 3:02PM
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articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/06/aspartame-most-dangerous-substance-added-to-food.aspx


In nature animals do not eat or drink foods that contain no nutrients only poison!


The taste of drinking a artificially sweetened soft drink is the giveaway for me that its poisonous.

It tastes like a drink fit for Frankenstein.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
20 Jul 2014 5:02PM
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Keyword - excessive. Much like that post :o Water will kill you if you get too much.

... one whole book - must be true!

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
20 Jul 2014 5:04PM
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petermac33 said...
articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/06/aspartame-most-dangerous-substance-added-to-food.aspx


In nature animals do not eat or drink foods that contain no nutrients only poison!


The taste of drinking a artificially sweetened soft drink is the giveaway for me that its poisonous.

It tastes like a drink fit for Frankenstein.

Mercola is a quack. And that "in nature" argument is such bull****...

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
20 Jul 2014 3:12PM
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Believe what you want to believe.

Keep drinking your artificially sweetened drink and save all those calories!

Its now in all chewing gum too,replacing sugar.

So keep chewing your poison,content in the beLIEf that Mercola and all the references he provides are quacks.



FormulaNova
WA, 15093 posts
20 Jul 2014 6:27PM
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petermac33 said..
Believe what you want to believe.

Keep drinking your artificially sweetened drink and save all those calories!

Its now in all chewing gum too,replacing sugar.

So keep chewing your poison,content in the beLIEf that Mercola and all the references he provides are quacks.






So why are you eating Tofu? Its not exactly a natural food occurring in nature. I think there are some stats around suggesting far more people have problems with Soy than people have problems with dairy. Everybody seems to have gotten onto this idea that milk is bad for them and an extract from a bean is somehow better.

I thought this topic was about coke, so why the mention of aspartame?

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
20 Jul 2014 11:40PM
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I don't touch the stuff (coke)... but I recently saw a BBC doco with twins testing the fat or sugar bad theory... sugar isn't as bad as fat; the twin on a fat diet almost got diabetes... but they both lost weight.

Both fat and sugar become lethal when combined... by their lonesomes they don't affect weight that much.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
20 Jul 2014 11:42PM
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petermac33 said..
articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/06/aspartame-most-dangerous-substance-added-to-food.aspx


In nature animals do not eat or drink foods that contain no nutrients only poison!


You've obviously never owned a dog.

FormulaNova
WA, 15093 posts
21 Jul 2014 8:21AM
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FlySurfer said..
I don't touch the stuff (coke)... but I recently saw a BBC doco with twins testing the fat or sugar bad theory... sugar isn't as bad as fat; the twin on a fat diet almost got diabetes... but they both lost weight.

Both fat and sugar become lethal when combined... by their lonesomes they don't affect weight that much.



The doctor who had the 'mainly fat' diet had a slower insulin response than the doctor who had the 'mainly sugar' diet. This was good for me to hear because for years people have been telling me 'you will get diabetes', for drinking coke, yet it seems to be worse to have a low sugar/high fat diet.

The bit on fat and sugar was about how when combined in a roughly 50/50 mix, they appear very tasty to us and mice, yet you never find that combination naturally. I am not sure the doco said they don't affect weight much, but more a case of the mix of sugar and fat is way more appealing to people than either a high fat or high sugar food.

It was interesting to see the doughnut test where they get everyone to choose their favorite, and most people chose a glazed doughnut instead of an iced one. It seems that this combination of fat and sugar is around the 'sweet spot' where fat and sugar are in this proportion.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
22 Jul 2014 12:33AM
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petermac33 said...
Believe what you want to believe.

Keep drinking your artificially sweetened drink and save all those calories!

Its now in all chewing gum too,replacing sugar.

So keep chewing your poison,content in the beLIEf that Mercola and all the references he provides are quacks.





Your assumptions are sad.

Thankfully, facts require no belief.

Mercola is a businessman, milking the suckers who beLIEve his pseudoscience waffle.

quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola/



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