fingerbone said...

I think its time to get the old fire place working again..
I wont pay carbon tax on heating and I will be producing carbon.....
....go figure....

Right on FB , if it's not needed burn it !!!!

There is no way they could stop combustion !!!

I think they are banned in my area, and they had some scheme a few years ago to reduce the cost of a gas heater to replace them.

Good riddance. I like wood fires, but in a city, they are not needed. It means that everyone else has to put up with the smell of burning wood.

In the country, why not, although I stayed in one place where everyone used wood fires, and the whole town stunk.

FormulaNova said...

I think they are banned in my area, and they had some scheme a few years ago to reduce the cost of a gas heater to replace them.

Good riddance. I like wood fires, but in a city, they are not needed. It means that everyone else has to put up with the smell of burning wood.

In the country, why not, although I stayed in one place where everyone used wood fires, and the whole town stunk.

I can understand why they are banned. I used to live in Armidale NSW. Armidale gets very cold in winter and the town is mainly in a valley. The trees in the area have been decimated by dieback so there is plenty of firewood around. So in winter many houses are warmed with wood fires. However this results in a lot of wood smoke blanketing the town.

However it may come to a point where people cannot afford to heat their home any other way. If electricity keeps going up in price and gas not cheap either, it might be a wood fire or living in a freezing house. This would especially be the case for people living on hobby farms and small lots with a stand of trees. When I was a kid one of my jobs in winter was to collect wood for the fire. Two types of wood were used, sticks and twigs fallen from eucalyptus trees and cutting up bigger blocks of wood. Neither needed cost anything besides time and labour.

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kiteboy dave said...

Mobydisc said...
However it may come to a point where people cannot afford to heat their home any other way. . .

Call me crazy but... put a jumper and some uggies on. Put a nanna blanket over your legs when you watch tv at night. Be nice to the cat for a change and it will settle on you. Throw an extra doona on the bed. Close your windows and pull your blinds. Use door snakes. If all that aint cuttin it then make a big pot of tea and run a small oil heater in the room you're in.

Can't believe the amount of idiots I work with who run their air-con on heat all winter. Only to run it on cool all summer. Dry all their washing in the dryer because it's easier. Leave every room lit up all night. Then whine about the price of power.

+1

nebbian said...



Errr... But... but...

...... So wood is fine. Eating plants and exhaling carbon dioxide is fine.

I really don't understand what's so hard to "get"?

Errr ... But... but...

If a power station burnt biomass and produced CO2 to be in the top 300 emitters in the country it would pay carbon tax, even though it might be burning plantation timber

- and

cattle and other livestock are covered by the carbon tax legislation, so - if a cattle station reported CO2 under the green gas emissions reporting legislation and was in the top 300 emitters in the country it too would pay carbon tax for the cows farting and belching after eating grass.


I really don't understand what's so hard to "get" about the carbon tax not being the solution to climate change



edit : if you don't believe me talk to the Kilcoy Pastoral Company, they pay $23 per tonne for their emissions (along with several paper manufacturers and the Snowy Hydro Company) .

kiteboy dave said...

Mobydisc said...
However it may come to a point where people cannot afford to heat their home any other way. . .

Call me crazy but... put a jumper and some uggies on. Put a nanna blanket over your legs when you watch tv at night. Be nice to the cat for a change and it will settle on you. Throw an extra doona on the bed. Close your windows and pull your blinds. Use door snakes. If all that aint cuttin it then make a big pot of tea and run a small oil heater in the room you're in.

Can't believe the amount of idiots I work with who run their air-con on heat all winter. Only to run it on cool all summer. Dry all their washing in the dryer because it's easier. Leave every room lit up all night. Then whine about the price of power.

Pffft so says a Qld living on the coast, you might feel different if you lived anywhere it gets cold.

Got my woodfire cranked up and toasty warm, and living on acres I dont annoy anyone.

Carantoc said...

nebbian said...



Errr... But... but...

...... So wood is fine. Eating plants and exhaling carbon dioxide is fine.

I really don't understand what's so hard to "get"?

Errr ... But... but...

If a power station burnt biomass and produced CO2 to be in the top 300 emitters in the country it would pay carbon tax, even though it might be burning plantation timber

- and

cattle and other livestock are covered by the carbon tax legislation, so - if a cattle station reported CO2 under the green gas emissions reporting legislation and was in the top 300 emitters in the country it too would pay carbon tax for the cows farting and belching after eating grass.


I really don't understand what's so hard to "get" about the carbon tax not being the solution to climate change



edit : if you don't believe me talk to the Kilcoy Pastoral Company, they pay $23 per tonne for their emissions (along with several paper manufacturers and the Snowy Hydro Company) .

Farmers are exempt from the carbon tax........Kilcoy are a meat processor.......they use power and refrigerant, so they're a big outfit but mainly a meat exporter .......but you knew that anyway ,didn't you carantoc. But just keep on making **** up

stuk said...

kiteboy dave said...

Mobydisc said...
However it may come to a point where people cannot afford to heat their home any other way. . .

Call me crazy but... put a jumper and some uggies on. Put a nanna blanket over your legs when you watch tv at night. Be nice to the cat for a change and it will settle on you. Throw an extra doona on the bed. Close your windows and pull your blinds. Use door snakes. If all that aint cuttin it then make a big pot of tea and run a small oil heater in the room you're in.

Can't believe the amount of idiots I work with who run their air-con on heat all winter. Only to run it on cool all summer. Dry all their washing in the dryer because it's easier. Leave every room lit up all night. Then whine about the price of power.

Pffft so says a Qld living on the coast, you might feel different if you lived anywhere it gets cold.

Got my woodfire cranked up and toasty warm, and living on acres I dont annoy anyone.

5 degrees this morning on the coast! We have been colder than Tassie for the last few days. It got down to -5 up on the range in QLD yesterday morning!

nebbian said...

I think its time to get the old fire place working again..
I wont pay carbon tax on heating and I will be producing carbon.....
....go figure....

Errr... But... but...

The carbon your fireplace produces is what was in the air just a few years ago. It's part of the normal carbon cycle.

However digging up rocks and burning them is putting extra carbon into the system, that wasn't there a few years ago. Yes I know it was in the air a few hundred thousand years ago but we draw the line at, say, 100 years. We want to preserve the amount of carbon in the air as it stands. So wood is fine. Eating plants and exhaling carbon dioxide is fine.

Burning coal and oil (fossil fuels) is a problem, and should be discouraged.

I really don't understand what's so hard to "get"?

For a fire place to be carbon neutral though you would need to plant as many trees as you are burning to absorb what you are releasing which in a lot off places isnt always happening. Im not against the use off a fire place, just saying thats all.

GalahOnTheBay said...

MrRubberbely said...

The basic lack of understanding in this debate is infuriating. It's fossil fuels that count, end of story. Ambient carbon goes round and round (in the air, into trees and grass, burns or breaks down, etc etc), long term it makes no difference to the total carbon load in the biosphere. Next time you hear a shock jock wanking on about us humans exhaling CO2 take it for what it is..hot air

I'm waiting for the claims that electric cars are emission free to get knocked on the head by the ACCC, as the car manufacturers conveniently "forget" where we get most of our electricity from... ;-)

See: http://www.trade.nsw.gov.au/energy/electricity/generation

And dont forget the batteries when they kark it, where do you dump them?

Just watch you don't go up into the hills and cut up trees that contain die-back. Cant beat a wood-fire. I have lots of wood to burn but you might want to think about slow combustion if your going to install one.Im a fan like the smell the warmth and the look cosy as!;-)

Major disadvantages is the cost they have to be installed by certified people for insurance requirements incase it burns the house down .
You still have to take cooling into consideration (spend money on air-conditioning) depending on your house size youd be looking at 3 grand installed for a slow combustion.
The heat from a wood fire also gets to your ceiling and causes the panels to drop and the strapping to move.

I believe the best option would be reverse cycle system and solar panels for the Kudos. .

Our country needs the carbon tax. Without it how would we pay for the Pollies pay rises

lay pavers,sink bores reticulation seed and develop key infrastructure outside before flooring.Cant be bothered scrubbing the 400 square meters of grout every 3 months