Australia could learn from this

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hilly
hilly
WA
8120 posts
WA, 8120 posts
27 Mar 2019 6:15am
Even though alcohol use by teenagers is down compared to our generation in Australia there are some good ideas here:
clarence
clarence
TAS
979 posts
TAS, 979 posts
27 Mar 2019 9:19am
Great story.

Could your country learn from Iceland?

Could your family learn from Iceland?

Clarence
Mr Milk
Mr Milk
NSW
3137 posts
NSW, 3137 posts
27 Mar 2019 10:57am
At 1:08 "it became illegal for teenagers to be outside at night" is a totally insane way to get them to stay in.

And no mention of the GFC sending Iceland broke....no spare money means no partying.
westozwind
westozwind
WA
1418 posts
WA, 1418 posts
27 Mar 2019 8:28am
Also, for 9 months of the year it's dark for longer than it's light & freezing.
AUS1111
AUS1111
WA
3621 posts
WA, 3621 posts
27 Mar 2019 9:04am
westozwind said..
Also, for 9 months of the year it's dark for longer than it's light & freezing.



Pretty sure that is SIX months...unless the world is not a ball after all...(or if Iceland is located in a hole?) .
hilly
hilly
WA
8120 posts
WA, 8120 posts
27 Mar 2019 9:20am
Mr Milk said..
At 1:08 "it became illegal for teenagers to be outside at night" is a totally insane way to get them to stay in.



Agree that is hard to police. I was more thinking of the family time and activity focus.
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
27 Mar 2019 1:00pm
We've known this since the 70s: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park

That somewhat infamous "rat given an unlimited supply of drugs" experiment that saw the rat eventually dose itself to death was done with the lone rat in a cage with nothing else to do.

The same experiment done in a cage with other rats, toys and the like saw completely different results.

It's the environment.
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
27 Mar 2019 1:13pm
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
27 Mar 2019 3:55pm
evlPanda said..
We've known this since the 70s: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park

That somewhat infamous "rat given an unlimited supply of drugs" experiment that saw the rat eventually dose itself to death was done with the lone rat in a cage with nothing else to do.

The same experiment done in a cage with other rats, toys and the like saw completely different results.

It's the environment.



There have been lots of interesting experiments with mice and rats in the past, social type experiments. I watched a utube video on one once where mice were provided with what was effectively a mouse paradise. There was ample food, water, activities for them, space and what was considered to be an interesting environment for them.

Within a year the mice were all dead. They died out due to completely crazy behaviour and social systems that lead to their demise.
quikdrawMcgraw
quikdrawMcgraw
1221 posts
1221 posts
27 Mar 2019 1:00pm
evlPanda said..
We've known this since the 70s: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park

That somewhat infamous "rat given an unlimited supply of drugs" experiment that saw the rat eventually dose itself to death was done with the lone rat in a cage with nothing else to do.

The same experiment done in a cage with other rats, toys and the like saw completely different results.

It's the environment.




Very philosophical!
But how about this, the same boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg...it's what your made of, not the environment.
eppo
eppo
WA
9790 posts
WA, 9790 posts
27 Mar 2019 1:45pm
Mobydisc said..

evlPanda said..
We've known this since the 70s: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park

That somewhat infamous "rat given an unlimited supply of drugs" experiment that saw the rat eventually dose itself to death was done with the lone rat in a cage with nothing else to do.

The same experiment done in a cage with other rats, toys and the like saw completely different results.

It's the environment.




There have been lots of interesting experiments with mice and rats in the past, social type experiments. I watched a utube video on one once where mice were provided with what was effectively a mouse paradise. There was ample food, water, activities for them, space and what was considered to be an interesting environment for them.

Within a year the mice were all dead. They died out due to completely crazy behaviour and social systems that lead to their demise.




jesus that's scarily applicable...

The world is a vampire...
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
27 Mar 2019 5:03pm
Sent to draa,aaaa,aain
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
QLD
6493 posts
QLD, 6493 posts
27 Mar 2019 5:41pm
evlPanda said..
We've known this since the 70s: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park

That somewhat infamous "rat given an unlimited supply of drugs" experiment that saw the rat eventually dose itself to death was done with the lone rat in a cage with nothing else to do.

The same experiment done in a cage with other rats, toys and the like saw completely different results.

It's the environment.


It's not totally the environment but it's a large part of it. Listen to Sam Harris' podcast #149, he and Sally Satei specifically talk about it.
sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
27 Mar 2019 9:18pm
Mr Milk said..
And no mention of the GFC sending Iceland broke....no spare money means no partying.


at least the Icelanders had the balls to lock up the bankers instead of "bailing them out"
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