An Airline Owner's take on Weather Predictions.

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cisco
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11 Nov 2010 9:41pm
barn
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11 Nov 2010 8:16pm
why is an airline owner qualified to voice an opinion on this? why is this news?

you don't need to be a climatologist to realise there is a difference between a spike and a trend.. ffs
FormulaNova
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11 Nov 2010 9:28pm
barn said...

why is an airline owner qualified to voice an opinion on this? why is this news?

you don't need to be a climatologist to realise there is a difference between a spike and a trend.. ffs



It is an 'opinion' as you yourself stated. No one needs to be qualified to have an opinion.

Voicing it? Papers love to voice things that sell papers.
nebbian
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11 Nov 2010 9:57pm
Shame on the paper for printing such drivel!

I'd expect that sort of spelling from a six year old.

"weights" indeed. Pff!
barn
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11 Nov 2010 10:21pm
yes I should have said.. "why is this guys opinion news?"

we can only form an opinion on information. And if newspapers, who supply a the public with this information sprout this bs to sell papers were doomed... A large part of the community cannot exercise basic critical thinking, and supplying a 'quotes of the week' on this issue from a businessman is fueling the fire of ignorance.. The issue of climate change is a scientific issue, and since this guy is not a scientist, who give a siht what he thinks...

lots of people!

its like history is repeating en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
cisco
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12 Nov 2010 12:25am
nebbian said...

Shame on the paper for printing such drivel!

I'd expect that sort of spelling from a six year old.

"weights" indeed. Pff!


It was the journo that used the word, not the airline owner, so I assume it is the journo at whom your criticism is directed.

A sad state of affairs when journalists do not have a command of primary school standard English expression when writing articles in an English language news paper.

frant
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12 Nov 2010 10:37am
cisco said...




Couldn't agree with more with YOUR opinion Cisco. I agree that this article and baseless opinion that it reports on is a total crock. I agree with you that we are under a severe threat of global warming and baseless opinions like this should not be aired on the internet.
theDoctor
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12 Nov 2010 10:53am

I think global warming is a baseless opinon promulgated by those who have the money and resources to simply have the loudest voice on the matter....

ohh, but thats right, speaking against, or to take a view which differs to the loudest voice is viewed as conspiracy

you people are so smart
japie
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12 Nov 2010 11:16am
cisco said...

nebbian said...

Shame on the paper for printing such drivel!

I'd expect that sort of spelling from a six year old.

"weights" indeed. Pff!


It was the journo that used the word, not the airline owner, so I assume it is the journo at whom your criticism is directed.

A sad state of affairs when journalists do not have a command of primary school standard English expression when writing articles in an English language news paper.




Not that this forum demonstrates a very high command of either the written or the spoken English language!
Carantoc
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12 Nov 2010 8:59am
theDoctor said...


I think global warming is a baseless opinon promulgated by those who have the money and resources to simply have the loudest voice on the matter....

ohh, but thats right, speaking against, or to take a view which differs to the loudest voice is viewed as conspiracy

you people are so smart


Its called Climate Change now, so they can have an each-way bet on it warming or cooling

But I am not sure climate change in iteself is baseless opinion though.

The earth's cliamte has been changing for the last 5 billion years (since the earth was formed) and it has not been a steady one way trend, it has been variable up, down and ever changing.

If you look at the last 5 million years (human evolution period) we are actually in quite a cool period at the moment. The fact there are polar ice caps actually puts us in an ice-age by geological definitions.

What I can't see is how a climate that is hotter than now will cause mass extintions. For the last 5 billion years the periods when the earth was relatively warmer than it is now were periods of greater rainfall and more biodiversity, why would that change tomorrow ? There is more biodiversity in a rainforest than on the polar ice cap.

To me the only question is the rate of change, is human activity changing the climate at a rate greater than that at which organisms can move or adapt ?

Now, I don't think anything gives us good evidence of the speed of change in the past 5 million years, nothing (ice cores, tree rings, geological deposits) give an acurate snap shot of spikes and blips over say a 30 years period, the same period we now see a spike in global temperatures that causes the debate. They may well give good shows over a long time and individual evidence might show a certain area became flooded over night or something, but nothing shows global change on a year by year basis.

Personnally I suspect that greater changes have occured in the past and life on earth has survived. Remembering all the time extinction is the norm and survival of a species is extremely rare (around 99% of all species ever evolved are extinct).


However, having said all that if the fear of climate change makes us stop pumping concentrated crap into the atmosphere, pumping untreated and concentrated crap into the ocean, producing non renewable consumer products and burying non-biodegraable crap in the ground, then lets promote the concept of climate change as it will do more good than harm.

And why wouldn't the boss of an airline company speak out against those who say the nature of his business is damaging to society ?
theDoctor
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12 Nov 2010 12:25pm
Carantoc said...

[quoteHowever, having said all that if the fear of climate change makes us stop pumping concentrated crap into the atmosphere, pumping untreated and concentrated crap into the ocean, producing non renewable consumer products and burying non-biodegraable crap in the ground, then lets promote the concept of climate change as it will do more good than harm.



Unfortunetly, as far as I can see, there will be no real change from the top down, it just means a tax on us at the bottom for anything deemed to be polluting...
any change will only come about from the bottom up.
but then, truth is conspiracy
barn
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12 Nov 2010 9:46am
after September 11 when all the planes were banned from flying over America, the temp went up.. Planes have a "dimming" effect.. planes are a mixed blessing, and they need to stay up there for now..which means were not going to pull all the planes down and shut Ryanair..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming


newspapers should have more of this.


frant
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12 Nov 2010 2:10pm
WRT the actual newspaper clipping I thought (ie my opinion is) that the newspaper was taking the piss out of the Ryan air boss. A (seemingly) well educated and succesfull businessman may well be able to express a well found opinion on global warming. All this guy can do is say f*** and draw a pretty long bow that because the Tuesday night weathergirl got it wrong then the entire science behind global warming is wrong. That to me is worthy of having the piss taken out of and the newspaper has done exactly that by the little rider "Michael O'Leary, Ryanair boss carefullyweights(sic)the evidence on global warming."
They are just pointing out what a dickwit this guy is.
maxm
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12 Nov 2010 2:21pm
frant said...

WRT the actual newspaper clipping I thought (ie my opinion is) that the newspaper was taking the piss out of the Ryan air boss. A (seemingly) well educated and succesfull businessman may well be able to express a well found opinion on global warming. All this guy can do is say f*** and draw a pretty long bow that because the Tuesday night weathergirl got it wrong then the entire science behind global warming is wrong. That to me is worthy of having the piss taken out of and the newspaper has done exactly that by the little rider "Michael O'Leary, Ryanair boss carefullyweights(sic)the evidence on global warming."
They are just pointing out what a dickwit this guy is.


Well put frant.

Also "weights" .. they included an extra "t'. Which is something you wouldn't get on Ryanair.
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12 Nov 2010 11:24am
barn said...

after September 11 when all the planes were banned from flying over America, the temp went up.. Planes have a "dimming" effect.. planes are a mixed blessing, and they need to stay up there for now..which means were not going to pull all the planes down and shut Ryanair..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming


newspapers should have more of this.





Yea I saw a doco on that, the temp only went up a small percent but the planes were only grounded for 3-4 days. So the con trails (not chem) were blocking out the sun and making the land cooler. No planes the average land temp went up.
JayBee
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12 Nov 2010 2:47pm
Nope - they are not taking the piss out of Michael O'Leary. In fact what you see is careful media manipulation on his behalf.

Recently he has been in the media for:
Hostess Calendar Girls www.ryanaircalendar.com/
he described a potential new transat airline venture as offering "free beds and blowjobs"
charging passengers ?1 to use the toilet on their flights
getting rid of the co-pilot and just having the pilot
removing seats and having people stand on short haul flights
vertical seating (www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/cheaper-airfares-to-stand-on-planes/news-story/db404816757385572a3bf3a9b5cf3df6)
removing check-in desks from airports and replacing them with online check-in
he bought a taxi plate for his personal merc so he could use the bus lanes
removing toilets to fit in more seats

Just try googling "Ryanair publicity stunt". He is smarter then he appears and he and his company live by the motto "all publicity is good publicity". Ryanair remains one of the most profitable airlines in the world despite being a no frills operation.

I bet he is sitting on his rich arse in great delight that a watersports website in australia is talking about him and his company. Job Done.

JB

frant said...

WRT the actual newspaper clipping I thought (ie my opinion is) that the newspaper was taking the piss out of the Ryan air boss. A (seemingly) well educated and succesfull businessman may well be able to express a well found opinion on global warming. All this guy can do is say f*** and draw a pretty long bow that because the Tuesday night weathergirl got it wrong then the entire science behind global warming is wrong. That to me is worthy of having the piss taken out of and the newspaper has done exactly that by the little rider "Michael O'Leary, Ryanair boss carefullyweights(sic)the evidence on global warming."
They are just pointing out what a dickwit this guy is.


frant
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12 Nov 2010 2:56pm
JayBee said...

Nope - they are not taking the piss out of Michael O'Leary. In fact what you see is careful media manipulation on his behalf.

Recently he has been in the media for:
Hostess Calendar Girls www.ryanaircalendar.com/
he described a potential new transat airline venture as offering "free beds and blowjobs"
charging passengers ?1 to use the toilet on their flights
getting rid of the co-pilot and just having the pilot
removing seats and having people stand on short haul flights
vertical seating (www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/cheaper-airfares-to-stand-on-planes/news-story/db404816757385572a3bf3a9b5cf3df6)
removing check-in desks from airports and replacing them with online check-in
he bought a taxi plate for his personal merc so he could use the bus lanes
removing toilets to fit in more seats

Just try googling "Ryanair publicity stunt". He is smarter then he appears and he and his company live by the motto "all publicity is good publicity". Ryanair remains one of the most profitable airlines in the world despite being a no frills operation.

I bet he is sitting on his rich arse in great delight that a watersports website in australia is talking about him and his company. Job Done.

JB

frant said...

WRT the actual newspaper clipping I thought (ie my opinion is) that the newspaper was taking the piss out of the Ryan air boss. A (seemingly) well educated and succesfull businessman may well be able to express a well found opinion on global warming. All this guy can do is say f*** and draw a pretty long bow that because the Tuesday night weathergirl got it wrong then the entire science behind global warming is wrong. That to me is worthy of having the piss taken out of and the newspaper has done exactly that by the little rider "Michael O'Leary, Ryanair boss carefullyweights(sic)the evidence on global warming."
They are just pointing out what a dickwit this guy is.





Ok I'll defer to your greater knowlege of the Irish pyschi. But I still think that irrespective of Michael O'Leary's motive in making this statement, if you have a "Quotes of the Week" section in the newspaper that even the Irish see it as a pisstake.
Carantoc
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12 Nov 2010 12:02pm
theDoctor said...
Unfortunetly, as far as I can see, there will be no real change from the top down, it just means a tax on us at the bottom for anything deemed to be polluting...
any change will only come about from the bottom up.
but then, truth is conspiracy


Once again you are probably right. The money makers will be the only winners either way.

And it is a pretty poor and convoluted way to stop pollution, it would be easier just to say 'pollution is bad, lest stop doing it' than 'man made climate change will destroy all life on earth unless you pay more tax immediately and thank us for the priviledge, and then everything will be dandy'
frant
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12 Nov 2010 3:42pm
theDoctor said...


I think global warming is a baseless opinon promulgated by those who have the money and resources to simply have the loudest voice on the matter....

ohh, but thats right, speaking against, or to take a view which differs to the loudest voice is viewed as conspiracy

you people are so smart


Can you please clarify what you mean here Doc. Are you suggesting that it is a conspiracy by those who have the money and resources, or is it those ohh, speaking against who are suggesting it is not a conspiracy but are accused of conspiracy. It would appear to me that you are suggesting that global warming is a conspiracy. Therefore how can you object when you then are labelled as calling something a conspiracy. Surely those who do not agree with your theory that it is a conspiracy are correct in labelling you as a conspiracy theorist. The people might be smart but you sure can confuse the lot of them.
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12 Nov 2010 2:54pm
Doc is just bitter cos he can't post his usual sh1t on seabreeze anymore. So he has a dig on just about every thread.

He should just take teddy out of the sandpit and go home
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