747 crash in afganistan

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DaylightDebt
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1 May 2013 9:12pm
Just wondering what the aviation guys are saying about this one? The video is hard to watch but looks like a steep angle take off...stall followed by nose dive with landing gear still down.

Wollemi
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1 May 2013 11:25pm
The SMH, Age, ABC, BBC, CNN, Fox, Chicago Tribune, Dominion Post (NZ), Al Jazeera and the Lithgow Mercury have nothing on it. What's your source?
Skid
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DaylightDebt
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1 May 2013 9:35pm
No source just watched the video, that's why I'm asking. No flames from engines and almost a free fall from the sky of such a big machine. Just curious, I probably watch to much aci
DaylightDebt
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1 May 2013 9:37pm
Didn't think to post the link thanks skidd
seafever17
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1 May 2013 9:43pm
Cargo shift.
mineral1
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1 May 2013 10:11pm
seafever17 said...
Cargo shift.



Think this is on the money, watch and see it moves left a tad, nose wheel and landing gear not even come close to retract, so something amiss in the cockpit distracting crew, craft starts to stall then slips right trying to get speed and lift with angle of attack change, but too close to ground to gain any lift, poor bastards. Looks like it was quick for them if nothing else.
dinsdale
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1 May 2013 10:15pm
Yeah, I saw it. Looked pretty kosher as a real disaster. Almost certain to be caused by lots of cargo breaking loose and shifting back at rotation.
Macroscien
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2 May 2013 12:36am
Lost of power.
Are there any birds not ingested yet in Afghanistan left ?
I hope that is not a kite at fault.
Haydn24
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2 May 2013 1:17am
Definitely looks like a big stall... probably caused by cargo shift to the rear like others said. Poor buggers... RIP
kiteboy dave
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2 May 2013 8:40am
Big cargo shift "confirmed" by internet experts. The instant it happened the pilots would have known how it would play out and have a long long time of knowing what was coming with no way to prevent it. Poor beggars.
oceanfire
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2 May 2013 6:44am
I saw this yesterday and the thing that got me the most was that the person filming it didn't say a word.

There was no type of exclamation, be it for joy or shock, at all, this person was just so calm about it.

I know if I saw something like this going down I'd have something to say even if I was by myself.

Strange?
gibberjoe
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2 May 2013 9:28am

maybe there was no sound record on
Macroscien
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2 May 2013 9:59am
oceanfire said...
I saw this yesterday and the thing that got me the most was that the person filming it didn't say a word.

There was no type of exclamation, be it for joy or shock, at all, this person was just so calm about it.

I know if I saw something like this going down I'd have something to say even if I was by myself.

Strange?

Recording was by dashboard camera.
Automate or robot if you like.
We are not accustom yet talking to robot, or even expressing /shearing our feelings and emotion with robots.
But Japanese open first brothel operated by sex dolls so things may change soon.


evlPanda
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2 May 2013 10:13am
Normal

Mark _australia
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2 May 2013 8:13am
If you told me a thread could move from a plane crash, to robotic Japanese brothel, I'd have not believed you.
Macroscien
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2 May 2013 10:26am
Whole irony is that every donkey or taxi riding across Afghanistan desert is equipped with automatic dashboard camera
but the latest, modern aircraft doesn't have cockpit video recorder.
As usual air crash investigators will relay completely on microphone to guess what happen.
How many lives could be saved if camera were installed on every airplane?
Even by the simple fact that pilots knowing that all is recorded , do not do things that otherwise could do when nobody is watching.
Macroscien
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2 May 2013 10:39am
Mark _australia said...
If you told me a thread could move from a plane crash, to robotic Japanese brothel, I'd have not believed you.


At least there dashboard camera is least desirable.
oceanfire
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2 May 2013 9:02am
Macroscien said...
oceanfire said...
I saw this yesterday and the thing that got me the most was that the person filming it didn't say a word.

There was no type of exclamation, be it for joy or shock, at all, this person was just so calm about it.

I know if I saw something like this going down I'd have something to say even if I was by myself.

Strange?

Recording was by dashboard camera.
Automate or robot if you like.
We are not accustom yet talking to robot, or even expressing /shearing our feelings and emotion with robots.
But Japanese open first brothel operated by sex dolls so things may change soon.






Regardless of who filmed it, robot or not, you can hear someone in the car moving about, at the end you can hear the interference noise of a mobile phone.

There was sound on and there was someone in the car.
Macroscien
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2 May 2013 11:27am
oceanfire said...

There was sound on and there was someone in the car.



You mean "beside driver" ?
I wonder how many people express their emotions when watching TV (action movie or even this accident ) by them self ?
FormulaNova
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2 May 2013 9:40am
oceanfire said...

Regardless of who filmed it, robot or not, you can hear someone in the car moving about, at the end you can hear the interference noise of a mobile phone.

There was sound on and there was someone in the car.



Some people don't talk much, and other like me talk too much. He lets out one expletive later on, but if it was me you would be hearing chatter the whole time.

Macroscien
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2 May 2013 11:45am
FormulaNova said...
Some people don't talk much, and other like me talk too much. He lets out one expletive later on, but if it was me you would be hearing chatter the whole time.


same with me , just opposite...
I wonder if seeing huge shark appearing tomorrow in front of me on Shearwater , should I say something ? to me or to shark ?
at least swear a bit ?
I don't have gopro so there will be no proof either way anyway...

Here is very difficult problem. What that person seeing this crash should say.

If by any chance is Muslim could say " Allah is great"
but western could say something like : " holly sh**t" or "f**k " and that will be more appropriate
da vecta
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2 May 2013 12:45pm
I'm not a pilot but in sailing terms I would say they luffed the 747.
Chris6791
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2 May 2013 10:49am
Macroscien said...

Recording was by dashboard camera.
Automate or robot if you like.
We are not accustom yet talking to robot, or even expressing /shearing our feelings and emotion with robots.
But Japanese open first brothel operated by sex dolls so things may change soon.



Still waiting for the 'WTF' button Laurie?
oceanfire
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2 May 2013 10:57am
FormulaNova said...
oceanfire said...

Regardless of who filmed it, robot or not, you can hear someone in the car moving about, at the end you can hear the interference noise of a mobile phone.

There was sound on and there was someone in the car.



Some people don't talk much, and other like me talk too much. He lets out one expletive later on, but if it was me you would be hearing chatter the whole time.




Ah ok, I must have seen the short version, didn't realize that.
Not so strange then.
oceanfire
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2 May 2013 11:02am
Macroscien said...
oceanfire said...

There was sound on and there was someone in the car.



You mean "beside driver" ?
I wonder how many people express their emotions when watching TV (action movie or even this accident ) by them self ?




You're equating the emotions you'd be feeling watching people dying in a plane crash right in front of you, to watching TV???

I'm not sure about you, and I don't watch sport on TV, but if you want to make the comparison, think of the sports fan watching a game by themselves, I'm pretty sure there will be a few vocalizations by them.
da vecta
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2 May 2013 1:42pm
kiteboy dave said...
Big cargo shift "confirmed" by internet experts. The instant it happened the pilots would have known how it would play out and have a long long time of knowing what was coming with no way to prevent it. Poor beggars.


Unfortunately about 15 seconds I reckon. Apparently they must have tried to turn it up right as in that situation the plane would normally remain upside down (as the wings have no lift). I'm no expert in this though. Poor buggars and their families.
Sham1984
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2 May 2013 1:49pm
i find the video hard to watch.. urgh

annnnnnnnd my nervousness of flying increases yet again
Chris6791
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2 May 2013 1:06pm
oceanfire said...
I saw this yesterday and the thing that got me the most was that the person filming it didn't say a word.

There was no type of exclamation, be it for joy or shock, at all, this person was just so calm about it.

I know if I saw something like this going down I'd have something to say even if I was by myself.

Strange?


You can never predict how someone will react in a high stress situation. I was present when a bloke died very unexpectedly and was rescucitated in front of a group of close friends. Some stood there and said absolutely nothing for near enough to an hour whilst others were getting in and helping with the CPR and offering words of encouragement. I cant blame the guys that froze, its a traumatic thing to see.The CPR and paramedics got him back but unfortunately he died a few days later.
FormulaNova
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2 May 2013 1:19pm
oceanfire said...
Macroscien said...
oceanfire said...

There was sound on and there was someone in the car.



You mean "beside driver" ?
I wonder how many people express their emotions when watching TV (action movie or even this accident ) by them self ?




You're equating the emotions you'd be feeling watching people dying in a plane crash right in front of you, to watching TV???

I'm not sure about you, and I don't watch sport on TV, but if you want to make the comparison, think of the sports fan watching a game by themselves, I'm pretty sure there will be a few vocalizations by them.




I think Macro might be suggesting that some people vocalise all the time, and some don't vocalise much at all, or only if they are telling someone something.

I had to drive for a few hours with a bloke for work a few years back. He was happy for neither of us to talk the whole time, whereas I think more than 5 minutes of silence is way too much.

Then of course, there's some that talk ALL the time.

Chris6791
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2 May 2013 1:31pm
^^^ only 5 min without talking? that puts you in the talk all the time category.
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