4 corners report: Refugees

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CMC
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21 Jul 2011 2:05pm
Did anybody see the 4 corners report on Lampedusa, Italy?

Kind of puts our own refugee "crisis" into perspective when you consider they have had over 40,000 refugees land on a very small island.

There are now more refugees than locals. If you didnt see the report which strangely got a little less attention than our cows dieing to be eaten the link below tells the story.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2011/s3263523.htm

felixdcat
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21 Jul 2011 12:14pm
Yep, turn them back..... illegal immigrants!
GalahOnTheBay
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21 Jul 2011 2:16pm
Hmm "perspective", we could do with a bit more of that in this country...
Prawnhead
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21 Jul 2011 2:34pm
GalahOnTheBay said...

Hmm "perspective", we could do with a bit more of that in this country...


not much chance galah ....no holes above Oz in the bozone layer!!

Gunna1
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21 Jul 2011 1:23pm
Again, any item can be twisted. this article speaks of The Schengen Agreement, which reads like it was set up to make "legitimate Travel" easier within europe, not to be used for illegal travel.

Quote from Wiki -
is a treaty signed on 14 June 1985 near the town of Schengen in Luxembourg, between five of the ten member states of the European Economic Community. It was supplemented by the Convention implementing the Schengen Agreement 5 years later. Together these treaties created Europe's borderless Schengen Area, which operates very much like a single state for international travel with border controls for travellers travelling in and out of the area, but with no internal border controls.

The Schengen Agreements and the rules adopted under them were entirely separate from the EU structures until the 1997 Amsterdam Treaty, which incorporated them into the mainstream of European Union law. The borderless zone created by the Schengen Agreements, the Schengen Area, currently consists of 25 European countries, covering a population of over 400 million people and an area of 4,312,099 square kilometers (1,664,911 sq mi).[1]

felixdcat
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21 Jul 2011 4:57pm



on Lampedusa Or was it on Xmas Island Some protesters were french!!??
SomeOtherGuy
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21 Jul 2011 7:27pm
^^^^

Do you know what French bread is like after 4 days sitting on the shelf???

He knew what he was doing...
doggie
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21 Jul 2011 5:30pm
SomeOtherGuy said...

^^^^

Do you know what French bread is like after 4 days sitting on the shelf???

He knew what he was doing...


I dont think he was French, so why is he allowed to use their bread
Macroscien
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21 Jul 2011 7:51pm
doggie said...

SomeOtherGuy said...

^^^^

Do you know what French bread is like after 4 days sitting on the shelf???

He knew what he was doing...


I dont think he was French, so why is he allowed to use their bread


If I am not mistaken he just pulled that pretzel of this poor Frenchmen policeman
pants.
I always had admiration for French but that size surprise me a bit.



Just don't let him to eat that loaf. Then doctors will stitch back and cop will be back on the job.
Cassa
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21 Jul 2011 6:25pm
SomeOtherGuy said...

^^^^

Do you know what French bread is like after 4 days sitting on the shelf???

He knew what he was doing...


Your new avtar is freakin me out , I keep hearing the words aahh smithers!!
tmurray
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21 Jul 2011 7:22pm
40,000 refugees in Italy
over 400,000 fleeing famine in Africa - all squeezed into 1 under resourced camp in Kenya.
And Australians think a $10 a week cut to our budgets when we consistently rate as having one of the highest living standards in the entire world is too much to take.
We are a bunch of over privileged ungrateful brats.
CMC
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21 Jul 2011 9:23pm
tmurray said...

40,000 refugees in Italy
over 400,000 fleeing famine in Africa - all squeezed into 1 under resourced camp in Kenya.
And Australians think a $10 a week cut to our budgets when we consistently rate as having one of the highest living standards in the entire world is too much to take.
We are a bunch of over privileged ungrateful brats.


Hurrah, someone is thinking......
Macroscien
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21 Jul 2011 9:36pm
CMC said...

tmurray said...

40,000 refugees in Italy
over 400,000 fleeing famine in Africa - all squeezed into 1 under resourced camp in Kenya.
And Australians think a $10 a week cut to our budgets when we consistently rate as having one of the highest living standards in the entire world is too much to take.
We are a bunch of over privileged ungrateful brats.


Hurrah, someone is thinking......


The funny is that is only one way road from now on
we have been to Africa already and throw out of the most fertile land on the world
and we are not allowed to fix it problem either..
if there is famine there $10 is not going to fix anything
...just my 2 penny to this discussion
you know what solution is ?
for that $10 we should be buying food of them not to send our food - to create market and sense of living over there


Mark _australia
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21 Jul 2011 7:46pm
CMC said...

tmurray said...

40,000 refugees in Italy
over 400,000 fleeing famine in Africa - all squeezed into 1 under resourced camp in Kenya.
And Australians think a $10 a week cut to our budgets when we consistently rate as having one of the highest living standards in the entire world is too much to take.
We are a bunch of over privileged ungrateful brats.


Hurrah, someone is thinking......


I beg to differ.
I will take the starving Africans no problem. Make the $10 into a $1000 and I still don't care.

What I do have a problem with is those who can afford $10,000 to queue jump and put the starving Africans further back in the line
SomeOtherGuy
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21 Jul 2011 9:48pm
Cassa said...

SomeOtherGuy said...

^^^^

Do you know what French bread is like after 4 days sitting on the shelf???

He knew what he was doing...


Your new avtar is freakin me out , I keep hearing the words aahh smithers!!


EEeeeexxxccelent! Our plan is working!
SomeOtherGuy
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21 Jul 2011 9:50pm
Mark _australia said...

CMC said...

tmurray said...

40,000 refugees in Italy
over 400,000 fleeing famine in Africa - all squeezed into 1 under resourced camp in Kenya.
And Australians think a $10 a week cut to our budgets when we consistently rate as having one of the highest living standards in the entire world is too much to take.
We are a bunch of over privileged ungrateful brats.


Hurrah, someone is thinking......


I beg to differ.
I will take the starving Africans no problem. Make the $10 into a $1000 and I still don't care.

What I do have a problem with is those who can afford $10,000 to queue jump and put the starving Africans further back in the line


Then the thinking suddenly stopped.
laceys lane
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21 Jul 2011 9:52pm
i have a problem with amounts spent on the war industry and the cost of medicine- it's sick

and pro sports and goverment grants for those sports instead of helping the less fortunate
SomeOtherGuy
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21 Jul 2011 10:02pm
Mark _australia said...

I beg to differ.
I will take the starving Africans no problem. Make the $10 into a $1000 and I still don't care.


When I see a letter or email over your name demanding that the government increase its refugee intake from Africa, I'll believe you Mark.

Until then, I call bull****.
mineral1
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21 Jul 2011 8:18pm
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Mister Dugong
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21 Jul 2011 8:53pm
SomeOtherGuy said...

Mark _australia said...

I beg to differ.
I will take the starving Africans no problem. Make the $10 into a $1000 and I still don't care.


When I see a letter or email over your name demanding that the government increase its refugee intake from Africa, I'll believe you Mark.

Until then, I call bull****.


I had to log in with a new password to green thumb that
Not that I would ever red thumb old marky mark hee hee (thats just a sucker punch)
Cassa
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21 Jul 2011 9:03pm
I did an induction at work today , along with 3 others .
3 obvious aussie types and 1 from somalia, I am NOT trying to differenciate , but this was a construction site , so we can lift heavy things but we are not bright , (is that the analogy most of you use?) the dark chappy could not )even though his use of english seemed rather good) answer the most basic of questions - eg where is the nearest first aid kit, (was explained to us 30 seconds before having to answer (cause we can lift heavy things ,but we are not bright) the office outside where we were sitting .
What do you do if you are injured in any way ?, no matter how minor?(explained to us 30 seconds before having to answer) report to the site office.
These questions seemed to difficult for him????????
why?
I tried to explain how to fill in the form to him before the 22yr old geek came in to help .I watched from afar and it was 15 minutes before he finished. Although his comprehension of english seemed pretty good , and pronunciation was good ,I don't think he had any understanding of what he was doing.
I am not sure of what use he would be to anybody on site because of this, but I think a better intergration scheme needs to be set up to improve their prospects of employment
Gizmo
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21 Jul 2011 10:43pm
Exactly ........ www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/Training/
Mister Dugong
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21 Jul 2011 10:44pm
Ive just finnished a mature age apprenticeship and finding training in our booming mining industry was incredibly competetive, and it still took two more employers in the metro area to complete it. leaving me in debt. Companys need to fork out more for training those who want it, especially the larger ones... how many apprentices are trained on site compared to how many are needed for 5 years time.. its ridiculous.

I know where lucky and have alot to give but i sure would like to see the potential training go to those who have grown up here, sounds unfair, but when i went to indo for the first time last month... I couldnt help but think we are all fckd if thats just the tip of world population.
theDoctor
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22 Jul 2011 1:41am


^^ exactly we are, and those contolling your mortgage (economic livelihood) want you to be.

the only differnce between you me and them is economics...

I once believed it was all that made us seperate

and ideologically, I still do

but,

The thing that really seperates us is the ideology of the economics..

we believe we are all deserved of an equal share...

the share our forefathers left as their legacy

our ideology as represented by an economically driven government that does not represent us, is that it believes that the poor economic refuge deserves to be bolstered to an equitable and economicaly and socially level playing field within the community without first considering the position of the community within which it demografies.

meaning, those native to this regime, who struggle for generations to achieve an economic stability within this governmental economically hindered structure, deservedly feel and rightly so, a manivalance against those who appear to come lately and be economically and socially afforded a seemingly higher resoluted demoraphic status than themselves and those they constanly struggle to provide for....


sorry, I'll read this again come morning, am slightly on the enibriation
Prawnhead
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22 Jul 2011 1:45pm
theDoctor said...



^^ exactly we are, and those contolling your mortgage (economic livelihood) want you to be.

the only differnce between you me and them is economics...

I once believed it was all that made us seperate

and ideologically, I still do

but,

The thing that really seperates us is the ideology of the economics..

we believe we are all deserved of an equal share...

the share our forefathers left as their legacy

our ideology as represented by an economically driven government that does not represent us, is that it believes that the poor economic refuge deserves to be bolstered to an equitable and economicaly and socially level playing field within the community without first considering the position of the community within which it demografies.

meaning, those native to this regime, who struggle for generations to achieve an economic stability within this governmental economically hindered structure, deservedly feel and rightly so, a manivalance against those who appear to come lately and be economically and socially afforded a seemingly higher resoluted demoraphic status than themselves and those they constanly struggle to provide for....


sorry, I'll read this again come morning, am slightly on the enibriation


spellchecker,berroca and a bonus copy of "manufacturing consent" by chomsky for the good "doctor"
SomeOtherGuy
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22 Jul 2011 2:25pm
geez doc, you come over all pinko lefty when you're pissed! Is that your true self showing through?
theDoctor
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22 Jul 2011 2:35pm
theDoctor said...



^^ exactly we are, and those contolling your mortgage (economic livelihood) want you to be.

the only differnce between you me and them is economics...

I once believed it was all that made us seperate

and ideologically, I still do

but,

The thing that really seperates us is the ideology of the economics..

we believe we are all deserved of an equal share...

the share our forefathers left as their legacy

our ideology as represented by an economically driven government that does not represent us, is that it believes that the poor economic refuge deserves to be bolstered to an equitable and economicaly and socially level playing field within the community without first considering the position of the community within which it demografies.

meaning, those native to this regime, who struggle for generations to achieve an economic stability within this governmental economically hindered structure, deservedly feel and rightly so, a manivalance against those who appear to come lately and be economically and socially afforded a seemingly higher resoluted demoraphic status than themselves and those they constanly struggle to provide for....


sorry, I'll read this again come morning, am slightly on the enibriation


Jeez, maybe I should have just said

'we kinda need to learn to take care of our own first'

Damn you margaritas!!!

(I fell asleep on a rug on the floor using my shoe for a pillow and a damp towel for a blanket, the dogs kept me warm and I only woke when one of them farted an inch from my face at 6.30am)
Gunna1
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22 Jul 2011 3:51pm
theDoctor said...

theDoctor said...



^^ exactly we are, and those contolling your mortgage (economic livelihood) want you to be.

the only differnce between you me and them is economics...

I once believed it was all that made us seperate

and ideologically, I still do

but,

The thing that really seperates us is the ideology of the economics..

we believe we are all deserved of an equal share...

the share our forefathers left as their legacy

our ideology as represented by an economically driven government that does not represent us, is that it believes that the poor economic refuge deserves to be bolstered to an equitable and economicaly and socially level playing field within the community without first considering the position of the community within which it demografies.

meaning, those native to this regime, who struggle for generations to achieve an economic stability within this governmental economically hindered structure, deservedly feel and rightly so, a manivalance against those who appear to come lately and be economically and socially afforded a seemingly higher resoluted demoraphic status than themselves and those they constanly struggle to provide for....


sorry, I'll read this again come morning, am slightly on the enibriation


Jeez, maybe I should have just said

'we kinda need to learn to take care of our own first'

Damn you margaritas!!!

(I fell asleep on a rug on the floor using my shoe for a pillow and a damp towel for a blanket, the dogs kept me warm and I only woke when one of them farted an inch from my face at 6.30am)

I dunno Doc, it couldn't have been said better, the sober or drunk version!!!!!

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