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dinsdale
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3 Sep 2011 7:28pm
I reckon that as a society we get mostly what we deserve. How long do you reckon "western culture" as we know it has left?

townhall.com/columnists/mattbarber/2011/09/03/sexual-anarchy-n1031230
jsnfok
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3 Sep 2011 7:34pm
as long as we are not shoulder to shoulder we can all co-exist as a 'multi cultural' society, as soon as we start cramming our selves together in crappy suburban homes we stuff it up
SomeOtherGuy
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3 Sep 2011 9:54pm
What's that dumbsdale, some kind of sick father's day joke? I think you need to go have a good hard look at yourself sunshine.
boofy
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3 Sep 2011 10:07pm
Truly sickening stuff mate as a Dad I have a primal urge to protect my children if I was ever confronted with one of these freaks near my kids my flight or fight response would kick in and given the chance I would kill them then be locked up for murder. How would you live with yourself as a Dad if you didnt do it.
These sick creeps have chemical imbalances in their brains that make them think differently to the majority of the population, they are acting on urges they cant control. I dont know what the answer is( mandatory Lobotomy and castration for convicted pedophiles)
dinsdale
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3 Sep 2011 8:10pm
SomeOtherGuy said...

What's that dumbsdale, some kind of sick father's day joke? I think you need to go have a good hard look at yourself sunshine.

Read the linked article, remove your foot from you mouth, then say something sensible.

kiteboy dave
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3 Sep 2011 10:19pm
Interesting.. but there's a few things going on here.

Most of those excuses he lists are real, pedos use them to rationalise what they are doing. I worked for QLD police and for a corporate investigations company in London who contracted to the Met. I have done plenty of CP investigations. Most Pedos have these types of excuses on their computers in amongst their sick pics and vids.

Either the author or Pedos (or most likely both) are tying pedos to Gays. "If they can have rights, why can't we. They're accepted, we can be too". I think this is pretty harmful/unjust to gays. You're either a pedo or not and the stats are the same for gay or straight. Yet some people still think gays are more likely to go after kids. They aren't. [edit: statistically the most dangerous group for your kids are catholic priests]

Gen Y's and subsequent gens are going to have a very different attitude to sex to anyone previous. They grow up with every type of hardcore porn a click away. It's gonna be no big deal for them. Where we used to talk about 69s (chuckle chuckle) they talk about triple-anal, dirty sanchez, space docking, etc.

Author is not impartial:
Exhibit A: Hardcore religious
www.hotels-gothenburg.net/de/christiannewstodaycom/
There is no better recent illustration of the importance of this issue then the story of "American Worker" J. Matt Barber. His dismissal from the Allstate Insurance Company for his opposition to same-sex marriage and his stand for one-man, one-woman marriage is a true indicator of where America stands in the cultural war today.

Exhibit B: Loony Right winger (Tea Party supporter)
www.renewamerica.com/columns/mbarber
Have a look at the pics down each side of that page, FLOL

So he has a wheelbarrow to push in this article, linking gays and pedos because it helps his anti-gay stance.

Lastly Dinsdale, what is "western culture as we know it"? I mean your culture is not my culture. Your kids culture is not your culture. Everything changes every day and everyone has a different perspective. Try to define aussie culture and all you get is 'fair dinkum' and meat pies. Pffft.




log man
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4 Sep 2011 12:02am
What a fascinating article. And, I must say, as a trainee catholic priest I found the Author super hunky.
pierrec45
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4 Sep 2011 2:21am
Sorry I missed the whole point. Me thick, please enlighten me.

What does the world of pedophiles - sick as they may be - has to do with western culture and current sexual tendencies ?

If I ask 100 people around me, each and everyone would like to get their hands on those sickos and terminate them. Yes they are a self-serving bunch - we all knew that.

But they do not represent the western culture (anyways I'm sure there are some in other cultures too), nor modern sexual proclivities in our society. They represent at best the history of a certain religious denomination, the one that has a Pope.

So what is the message being presented here ??
dinsdale
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5 Sep 2011 12:54am
pierrec45 said...
So what is the message being presented here ??

The message presented here is that pedophiles, in the US, are now getting organized and beginning their push to have pedophilia recognized and accepted as a valid sexual orientation and practice. They (the pedophile movers and shakers), not the bloke who authored the article, have used the argument that the homosexuals have now achieved recognition of their sexual orientation as "normal", so it's time we all accepted pedophilia. It's totally irrelevant who authored the article as he provides many links to show that he's quoting reports from the conference itself, in context. They have quite a few well "lettered" professionals backing them. A typical raft of elitist academic dysfunctionals.

Start educating your children, coz this stuff is coming to a city near you, in the not-too-distant future.
pierrec45
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5 Sep 2011 4:14am
OK gotcha. Bah, those supposed scientists are rare, not mainstream by a long shot. I doubt they are 'typical' as you state.

Those sick individuals have always justified it that way, I doubt this is a growing trend. The very, very, very large majority of people I know here in the US would not hesitate to greatly damage those sickos if they got their hands on them, so I doubt it's a growing problem.

However, yes only one is way too many.
rebelphoto
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5 Sep 2011 4:25am
The law still puts them in prison here in Australia and that's not gonna change in my lifetime I believe.

My only wish would be that they would be integrated in the general prison population.


We wouldn't have to worry about them much longer, only pay for their funeral.



Sailhack
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5 Sep 2011 9:28am
dinsdale said...

pierrec45 said...
So what is the message being presented here ??

The message presented here is that pedophiles, in the US, are now getting organized and beginning their push to have pedophilia recognized and accepted as a valid sexual orientation and practice. They (the pedophile movers and shakers), not the bloke who authored the article, have used the argument that the homosexuals have now achieved recognition of their sexual orientation as "normal", so it's time we all accepted pedophilia. It's totally irrelevant who authored the article as he provides many links to show that he's quoting reports from the conference itself, in context. They have quite a few well "lettered" professionals backing them. A typical raft of elitist academic dysfunctionals.

Start educating your children, coz this stuff is coming to a city near you, in the not-too-distant future.



Personally, I hope they get it through and recognised as a genuine organisation...they would then hold an AGM and all get together in one place - hopefully in a location that suits the US gov't to test their latest missiles.
cisco
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5 Sep 2011 12:53pm
dinsdale said...

pierrec45 said...
So what is the message being presented here ??

The message presented here is that pedophiles, in the US, are now getting organized and beginning their push to have pedophilia recognized and accepted as a valid sexual orientation and practice. They (the pedophile movers and shakers), not the bloke who authored the article, have used the argument that the homosexuals have now achieved recognition of their sexual orientation as "normal", so it's time we all accepted pedophilia. It's totally irrelevant who authored the article as he provides many links to show that he's quoting reports from the conference itself, in context. They have quite a few well "lettered" professionals backing them. A typical raft of elitist academic dysfunctionals.

Start educating your children, coz this stuff is coming to a city near you, in the not-too-distant future.


They have been well organised in the U.S. for many years and it goes right to the top. If you want to know more about it read "The Franklin Cover-Up. Child Abuse, Satanism and Murder in Nebraska by John W. DeCamp. Beware!!! This is a very chilling account and will make your hair stand on end.

Also look up "AKSARBEN", Nebraska spelt in reverse and "NAMBLA", north American man boy love association.

As you say dins "Start educating your children, coz this stuff is coming to a city near you, in the not-too-distant future."

Ados
Ados
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421 posts
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5 Sep 2011 1:52pm
kiteboy dave said...

Interesting.. but there's a few things going on here.

Most of those excuses he lists are real, pedos use them to rationalise what they are doing. I worked for QLD police and for a corporate investigations company in London who contracted to the Met. I have done plenty of CP investigations. Most Pedos have these types of excuses on their computers in amongst their sick pics and vids.

Either the author or Pedos (or most likely both) are tying pedos to Gays. "If they can have rights, why can't we. They're accepted, we can be too". I think this is pretty harmful/unjust to gays. You're either a pedo or not and the stats are the same for gay or straight. Yet some people still think gays are more likely to go after kids. They aren't. [edit: statistically the most dangerous group for your kids are catholic priests]

Gen Y's and subsequent gens are going to have a very different attitude to sex to anyone previous. They grow up with every type of hardcore porn a click away. It's gonna be no big deal for them. Where we used to talk about 69s (chuckle chuckle) they talk about triple-anal, dirty sanchez, space docking, etc.

Author is not impartial:
Exhibit A: Hardcore religious
www.hotels-gothenburg.net/de/christiannewstodaycom/
There is no better recent illustration of the importance of this issue then the story of "American Worker" J. Matt Barber. His dismissal from the Allstate Insurance Company for his opposition to same-sex marriage and his stand for one-man, one-woman marriage is a true indicator of where America stands in the cultural war today.

Exhibit B: Loony Right winger (Tea Party supporter)
www.renewamerica.com/columns/mbarber
Have a look at the pics down each side of that page, FLOL

So he has a wheelbarrow to push in this article, linking gays and pedos because it helps his anti-gay stance.

Lastly Dinsdale, what is "western culture as we know it"? I mean your culture is not my culture. Your kids culture is not your culture. Everything changes every day and everyone has a different perspective. Try to define aussie culture and all you get is 'fair dinkum' and meat pies. Pffft.







WTF is 'Space Docking?"
knigit
knigit
WA
319 posts
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5 Sep 2011 3:22pm


WTF is 'Space Docking?"



I would advise that ignorance is bliss. Do not google it
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
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5 Sep 2011 3:31pm
I googled it and I found that one "Cleveland Steamer with reverse teabag" thought it would have something to do with kiting! Well it hasn't and yes ignorance is bliss!
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
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5 Sep 2011 3:42pm
I like the female version of the reverse teabag!

kiteboy dave
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5 Sep 2011 8:00pm
rebelphoto said...

The law still puts them in prison here in Australia and that's not gonna change in my lifetime I believe.

My only wish would be that they would be integrated in the general prison population.


We wouldn't have to worry about them much longer, only pay for their funeral.






^^^ Hehe here's my comment and here's a totally unrelated poor quality windsurfing pic.
japie
japie
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5 Sep 2011 10:17pm
dinsdale said...

pierrec45 said...
So what is the message being presented here ??

The message presented here is that pedophiles, in the US, are now getting organized and beginning their push to have pedophilia recognized and accepted as a valid sexual orientation and practice. They (the pedophile movers and shakers), not the bloke who authored the article, have used the argument that the homosexuals have now achieved recognition of their sexual orientation as "normal", so it's time we all accepted pedophilia. It's totally irrelevant who authored the article as he provides many links to show that he's quoting reports from the conference itself, in context. They have quite a few well "lettered" professionals backing them. A typical raft of elitist academic dysfunctionals.

Start educating your children, coz this stuff is coming to a city near you, in the not-too-distant future.


You are on the nail there mate!

And it has been long in planning.

And for those ignoramuses that believe that pedophiles are genetically wired, wrong. All behaviour, including sexual, is learned. Pedophiles are increasing regardless of the revelations as more victims become offenders.

We do not learn from history.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
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5 Sep 2011 10:50pm
Disclaimer: I'm not condoning anything mentioned in the linked article or above comments.

Beware conflicts of interest.

No matter the view being presented, always step back and ask yourself what are the personal motivations or goals of the writer / presenter

boofy
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2110 posts
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5 Sep 2011 11:07pm
Japie Maybe write to these ignoramuses and tell them they are wrong mate google behavioural genetics or epigenetics.

This means they can breed and perpetuate unless your genetic studies have proven otherwise


Genetic Influence On Behavior
By Rick Nauert PhD Senior News Editor
Reviewed by John M. Grohol, Psy.D. on July 21, 2009

Genetic Influence On Behavior The ongoing debate over the behavioral influences of nature vs. nurture has taken another turn.

Researchers at Brown University and the University of Arizona have determined that variations of three different genes in the brain (called single-nucleotide polymorphisms) may help predict a person's tendency to make certain choices.

By testing DNA samples from saliva in conjunction with computerized cognitive tests, researchers found that the certain gene variations could be connected to certain choices — focusing on decisions that previously produced good outcomes, avoiding negative outcomes, or trying unfamiliar things even though an outcome is uncertain.

“In some cases, single genes can have surprisingly strong influences on particular aspects of behavior,” said Michael J. Frank, assistant professor of cognitive and linguistic science, psychology, and psychiatry and human behavior.

Frank worked with Brown graduate student Bradley Doll and collaborated with geneticists Francisco Moreno and Jen Oas-Terpstra of the University of Arizona. Research findings will be published in the August 2009 Nature Neuroscience and will be available online July 20. The paper builds on research Frank conducted while he was at the University of Arizona.

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pierrec45
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6 Sep 2011 1:21am
boofy said...

Japie Maybe write to these ignoramuses and tell them they are wrong mate google behavioural genetics or epigenetics.

This means they can breed and perpetuate unless your genetic studies have proven otherwise

Genetic Influence On Behavior
By Rick Nauert PhD Senior News Editor
Reviewed by John M. Grohol, Psy.D. on July 21, 2009

Genetic Influence On Behavior The ongoing debate over the behavioral influences of nature vs. nurture has taken another turn.

Researchers at Brown University and the University of Arizona have determined that variations of three different genes in the brain (called single-nucleotide polymorphisms) may help predict a person's tendency to make certain choices.

By testing DNA samples from saliva in conjunction with computerized cognitive tests, researchers found that the certain gene variations could be connected to certain choices — focusing on decisions that previously produced good outcomes, avoiding negative outcomes, or trying unfamiliar things even though an outcome is uncertain.

“In some cases, single genes can have surprisingly strong influences on particular aspects of behavior,” said Michael J. Frank, assistant professor of cognitive and linguistic science, psychology, and psychiatry and human behavior.

"may help"... "could be connected"... rather qualitative science. Do you really derive your personal conclusions from such conditional statements?

"will be published..." I'll swallow it all when published indeed, and after it fares positively against peer review. Presumably said publication will present more solid statements then just 'may help'.
boofy
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6 Sep 2011 9:43am
pierrec45 said...

boofy said...

Japie Maybe write to these ignoramuses and tell them they are wrong mate google behavioural genetics or epigenetics.

This means they can breed and perpetuate unless your genetic studies have proven otherwise

Genetic Influence On Behavior
By Rick Nauert PhD Senior News Editor
Reviewed by John M. Grohol, Psy.D. on July 21, 2009

Genetic Influence On Behavior The ongoing debate over the behavioral influences of nature vs. nurture has taken another turn.

Researchers at Brown University and the University of Arizona have determined that variations of three different genes in the brain (called single-nucleotide polymorphisms) may help predict a person's tendency to make certain choices.

By testing DNA samples from saliva in conjunction with computerized cognitive tests, researchers found that the certain gene variations could be connected to certain choices — focusing on decisions that previously produced good outcomes, avoiding negative outcomes, or trying unfamiliar things even though an outcome is uncertain.

“In some cases, single genes can have surprisingly strong influences on particular aspects of behavior,” said Michael J. Frank, assistant professor of cognitive and linguistic science, psychology, and psychiatry and human behavior.

"may help"... "could be connected"... rather qualitative science. Do you really derive your personal conclusions from such conditional statements?

"will be published..." I'll swallow it all when published indeed, and after it fares positively against peer review. Presumably said publication will present more solid statements then just 'may help'.



No I dont derive my personal conclusions from this type of research there is a lot more info out there supporting these theories. I was more pointing out that it has more credibility than someone claiming that any one thinking along these lines is written off as an ignoramus.
felixdcat
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6 Sep 2011 10:40am
Genetic or not it is easily cured with a bullet between the eyes! If some sick bastard attacked my grand kids I would take care of him, may go to jail but would be for a good cause![}:)]
japie
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6 Sep 2011 9:22pm
boofy said...

pierrec45 said...

boofy said...

Japie Maybe write to these ignoramuses and tell them they are wrong mate google behavioural genetics or epigenetics.

This means they can breed and perpetuate unless your genetic studies have proven otherwise

Genetic Influence On Behavior
By Rick Nauert PhD Senior News Editor
Reviewed by John M. Grohol, Psy.D. on July 21, 2009

Genetic Influence On Behavior The ongoing debate over the behavioral influences of nature vs. nurture has taken another turn.

Researchers at Brown University and the University of Arizona have determined that variations of three different genes in the brain (called single-nucleotide polymorphisms) may help predict a person's tendency to make certain choices.

By testing DNA samples from saliva in conjunction with computerized cognitive tests, researchers found that the certain gene variations could be connected to certain choices — focusing on decisions that previously produced good outcomes, avoiding negative outcomes, or trying unfamiliar things even though an outcome is uncertain.

“In some cases, single genes can have surprisingly strong influences on particular aspects of behavior,” said Michael J. Frank, assistant professor of cognitive and linguistic science, psychology, and psychiatry and human behavior.

"may help"... "could be connected"... rather qualitative science. Do you really derive your personal conclusions from such conditional statements?

"will be published..." I'll swallow it all when published indeed, and after it fares positively against peer review. Presumably said publication will present more solid statements then just 'may help'.



No I dont derive my personal conclusions from this type of research there is a lot more info out there supporting these theories. I was more pointing out that it has more credibility than someone claiming that any one thinking along these lines is written off as an ignoramus.


Boofy, mate, if you look to genetics for predisposition in human behaviour you are headed down a very slippery slope. I suggest you look to some of the critics for balance before you jump to erroneous conclusions. Mein Herr!

As a victim of pedophilia I would be more than happy to engage you in debate on the subject. It has been a 46 year study so I am pretty well armed!
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